I probably wouldn't take Barron in the 5th (or Lapierre)

Lundell could be there at #10....meh...

....But Rossi or Perfetti could be there at #7. Why not trade up to NJD's other 1st round pick...and grab the center you want?

I think the Pens would 100% take that, but I'm curious what you like about Bjugstad over Perrault?

Ya think that's the D core of a contender? I have my doubts it'd be able to get the job done come playoffs.

I think severson is much better than most think and Edmundson is a good shutdown guy who is physical. Also that 3rd pairing is way above average imo. I think the d-core can definitely at least support hellebuyck enough to be a contender

Also in terms of physicality, I don’t see many problems tbh. Edmundson is a beast and severson is physical. Morrissey and pionk are very good together imo and size isn’t really an issue when they are together (imo

Bjugstad is bigger which helps the jets since they had some size issues this year against the flames (though they did lose 2 big guys in schiefele and Laine). Additionally, he can play center which allows the jets to give gustavsson a year in the A and allows copp, Roslovic, and Lowry to play on the same line.

Lastly, I think perreault is better used in Pittsburgh than in Winnipeg. He is not built for a 4th line role. He can be a grinder but he will get injured. He is better as a middle six winger who has skill. He has slowed down a bit over the last few years but he was never the fastest anyway. Imo this deal works out for both teams. The jets will get more out of bjugstad, and Pittsburgh out of perreault

The trade is dependant on them not wing available at 10 so...

As for moving up, I considered it with buffalo (moving to 8) but they wanted players like Roslovic and copp. The most I would be willing to do to move up is the 2020 2nd and Stanley. Otherwise, it’s not worth it imo. Keep in mind that phi moved from 14-11 for the price of a 2nd so it won’t cost too much more to move up from 10-7/8

Also, I’m not sure New Jersey would pass up the chance to draft an potential elite winger at 7.

NJD probably likely to go winger at #7....could also see them move back a spot or two...they really could use any of those top-10 players. Stanley, #10, 2nd not a bad package.

A lot of Blues and Canes fans say Edmunson really sucks.

If this did happen I think I'd rather have Severson on the top pair with Morrissey.

I think Edmundson is very good from what I’ve seen. He’s not the best puck mover (think myers) but He’s playing next to good puck movers in pionk or severson and is good at what we need him to be good at (in his own end and in front of the net)

Are Edmunson's fancy stats bad? That's probably why some people on here say he sucks.

I agree they do need some dmen who can clear the front of the net, battle on the boards and not get pushed around so easily.

Not particularly bad tbh. You also have to keep in mind he plays on the pk. But he’s even strength possession stats are below average on a way above average team, which is a cause for minor concern

What are Whitecloud, Martinez, Holden and McNabb's fancy stats like?

All expect for Mcnabb have a much higher offensive zone start percentage than Edmundson so that throws their stats off a bit (though it also explains why Edmundson’s possession stats are somewhat concerning). Mcnabb has a lower defensive zone start percentage than Edmundson, but he is similar.

Personally, I am not concerned about edmundson’s possession stats. He has a high defensive zone start percentage and isn’t a great puck mover which makes the difference imo. The other parts of his defensive game are very good and he will he’ll the jets immensely regardless of his issues. I’m thinking he’s a morph between chiarot and myers. Better defensively than chiarot, but a bad puck mover like myers

Another Logan Stanley idea....would be to swap him to NJD for Michael McLeod. Two high-potential prospects seem stuck in mud. At least that would fill positional needs. NJD needs big bodied, long-reach, d-man...WPG needs speedy, offensive center (and Mcleod blocked now by Hughes and Hischier). I know NJD has been trying to convert McLeod into more of checking line center...and its not best use of his skillsets.

I never thought Myers was a bad puck mover, carried the puck well, his long passes were good but he struggled with the short passes in the D zone, I wasn't a Myers hater though.

Guess what I'm getting at is when you get past Schmidt, Theodore and I guess Martinez it's three pretty average dmen, even Martinez really isn't anything special, honestly it shouldn't be that hard to fill out a D core to being respectable, if Chevy can't take advantage of getting some deals on a dman from the many teams that are in a cap crunch and/or sign one or two of the many decent free agent dmen then he's useless and it'll be time for someone else in the GM chair.

I completely agree on both points. (Sorry I missed the 2nd one the first time)

For myers I completely agree, the guy is great at moving the puck outside of his own zone, but he’s not too underpaid pressure which wasn’t that bad tbh. It’s kind of the same here with Edmundson. It’s not that he will make a turnover, it’s that he will make a less optimal pass that causes the puck to be turned over by the forward the puck is moved to. At least that’s what I’ve seen.

That’s exactly my point that I’ve been trying to say on this website for weeks. Teams don’t need an elite defence to win the cup. Look where an elite defence got Carolina. It didn’t win them the series, they ended up lacking in offence. If the would have used that first on a forward instead of skjei, we might be having a different conversation right now. The jets have a good #1 in Morrissey (imo he is a number 1 but he had an bad season). Other than that, there’s pionk and severson in this team who are very good. Then add Edmundson, poolman, and heinola who are all super underrated and this is one of the better d-cores in the league. It’s not very good, but it’s above average which is all that’s needed. Look at Washington: Carlson and orlov were the only real notables on that team (though niskanen and kempny were underrated). Look at Pittsburgh’s wins: letang as dumolin are the the only guys I can think of. Cole was a good underrated option. These teams won because they were a complete team.

Ps: Say what you will about maurice and his system, but when everyone buys in, it’s one of the best in the league imo. It’s just hard to execute and isn’t for a young team like the jets as it requires a lot of effort. He needs new assistants though. It’s their job to get players to buy in and they aren’t doing anything. Add in the brutal special teams when maurice stops working with them in practice and you can tell the assistants are a major problem.

I have faith in chevy to pull the strings when he feels it’s right. That said, if he doesn’t get a least 1 top 4 guy and get at least a stopgap option this summer I’m gonna be rethinking that faith

That sounds like a trade the jets might make. Sounds good for both teams. The jets can play McLeod on a skilled 4th line and can give him more minutes if he proves himself to be good. Otherwise, it’s not like we have a whole lot for him.

Carolina and Calgary the last few years are similar to me, over built on D with a hole or two in their top 6.

I really feel like Pionk and Morrissey need bigger D partners and Poolman is fragile, Cernak would be a great addition, pair him up with Morrissey and put Edmunson with Pionk and there'd be some meat in that top 4, I'd leave the kids in the minors if there's enough money to sign Merrill for the 3rd pair, he's big and strong, I like Beaulieu but I'd bring back Sbisa personally, he's a much better skater then Beaulieu.

Washington had Orpik and Djoos on their 3rd pair, Pens had Schultz and Daley on D as well, those two are quite mobile. I get you need mobile dmen but they can't all be 6' or less and 190lbs or less, need some size at least, small sample size I know but the Jets best dmen against Calgary was Kulikov, I'm ready to move on from DeMelo, too slow and smallish as well, ideally he'd be a cheap 3rd pair guy that can move up when an injury hits but he'll want to get paid, he'd be a cheap top 4 though I guess.
I agree that you don't need some star studded D to win, the last few cup winners prove that, Vegas D that went to the final was nothing too special either but it worked! It's more about being a complete team like you say, the Jets are very far from being complete though.
Ideally I'd like a new rhd that can quarterback the powerplay better then Pionk, maybe Vatanen but he's small too and idk if he'd sign in Winnipeg, as much as I think the defense just needs one or two guys to vastly improve it I also think it lacks some key elements like a PP QB, size and some nastiness and the guys they have don't line up together well due to them being smallish so it's tough to rebuild this D even though it doesn't actually need that much.

Respectfully disagree about Maurice's system, I don't think it's good or will ever work.

I've pretty much already lost faith in Chevy, I just don't think he's active enough building this roster, I get that he apparently didn't see the Buff thing coming but after 9 years of drafting and the only D he had to show for it this season was Morrissey and a couple rookies in Poolman and Niku well sorry but that isn't good enough, his drafting past the 1st round has been poor, he hasn't done enough to build better center depth beyond Scheifele and Little and this season exposed how weak they really are down the middle.
He'd have to have a real home run offseason for me to think he's still the guy for the job.

I agree about the jets d-core completely. Severson is just a better cernak option imo (severson has more offence and a little less defence) which is why I went for severson. I wouldn’t mind cernak either. Edmundson adds more of what cernak does. As for Morrissey and pionk, I think apart, they would benefit by having bigger d-partners (not that they can’t play without them). However, I also think they are best individually together. They drive play at a tremendous rate together and from what I’ve seen, size isn’t an issue when they are together.

The only issue I have with chevy is that he is seemingly too scared to move roster players. Imo, I move guys like appleton and harkins before my first in any year. In fact, I probably move both if I’m close to contending. I don’t mind any of the trades he’s made, but you have to think that if cheating out on stastny was the best choice. The jets didn’t have a proper center for laine 2 years and lost Lemieux and a 1st cause of it. Maybe they should have upped the amount to match or even beat Vegas. Imo that and drafting Stanley were the only things he’s messed up really bad. Other than that, I’m happy. That said, I think the jets are 1-2 pieces away from contending so if chevy doesn’t go out and get at least one of those, I’m going to start to lose faith in him

Also his drafting past the first round hasn’t been poor tbh. Imo he still has a better record than most other nhl gm’s and the guys he’s drafted since 2015 in the later rounds are looking pretty good. My personal favourites are blaisdell last year and virtanen from 2017 (I think). Chisholm was a serious steal and so was gawanke. Imo he’s been good in the later rounds. I didn’t like that lundmark pick last year though, but there might be something chevy sees that I don’t.

Well I just wonder if Morrissey and Pionk together could survive in the playoffs, I have my doubts.
Adding Severson would be great, I wonder what it'd take to get Fleury from the Canes, he's a great skater for a bigger kid, don't think he's too offensive but he'd probably be a good partner for Pionk.

To me Chevy just doesn't do enough to build this roster and has missed out on a lot of big and small trades that would of helped the Jets and they all involved players without any trade protection.
I know there's future cap considerations but the main part of his job is improving the team and if that means moving on from someone to make the cap space for someone better then that's what should happen, also if he's worried about future cap implications when acquiring someone good signed to a fair value contract with term well then he's over thinking his job, I think that's probably the problem!
Even before Little got injured he should've acquired another center who could be moved up if an injury happened, having a 3C that isn't even a good 3C and is not a 2C fill in is a major problem.
He overpaid for Hayes, no way Lemieux should of been in there, heard Stastny chose Vegas cause they were willing to go three years but the Jets only were willing to go two and that kind of aligns with him overthinking it maybe, if he was worried about the 3rd year he really misplayed it imo, just build a better team and worry about the cap later, idk if that's exactly what it was but that's what I heard, he chose Vegas cause of the third year offered. Have you been watching Vegas at all? They picked up Stephenson for a 5th round pick one day before Chevy claimed Shore on waivers, now I realize Stephenson doesn't make the Jets a contender by any stretch of the imagination but he improves the bottom 6, only makes $300K more then Shore and is an RFA, why not trade for a guy like that? A 5th round pick is likely never amounting to anything and is at least 3-4 years away from playing a game in the NHL.
I think the trade to move up to select Stanley was a mistake but his handling of Trouba was his biggest mistake, if he trades him earlier the return is likely bigger or better and we might be having a different conversation right now.

His draft record from 2011 to 2014 beyond the 1st round is pretty weak, I know Helly was a later round pick but lots of goalies are selected in the 2nd round or later, other then Helly it's Lowry, Copp and Poolman, sorry but that's super unimpressive, those guys would be easy to replace with minor trades like the Stephenson trade for example. Take a look at the Islanders D, their top 4 D are picked in rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 between 2011 and 2014, if the Jets had that kind of drafting success they're not in the mess they're in now. Maybe Harkins pans out and same for Samberg, I've kind of written off Appleton and Niku at this point, am still hopeful for Berdin, Gawanke and a couple others but as of now we can only say the Jets have done well drafting in the 1st round for the most part.

Sorry for the long rant but I think Chevy has been getting a free pass for too long, he's made this mess, just hope he can fix it without making a bigger mess.

I think they will be fine. In the shifts they played together against Calgary, they were very good. I agree with the fleury sentiment, though I don’t think the canes will move him since they need his small cap hit.

I mean, i don’t care too much about the Hayes trade. The center market was relatively weak last year and Lemieux isn’t that big of a piece to me.

That is correct, all reports are that stastny was willing to sing in Winnipeg if he got the 3rd year. I get that chevy wanted to worry about signing trouba, myers, laine and Connor in 2 summers but the the jets lost a majority year of contending last year. They could have beat St. Louis imo but didn’t try. But the past is the past. In hindsight, chevy wasn’t so wrong I’m making that move since that stastny contract isn’t looking too good.

I think chevy made the right move holding on to Trouba as long as possible. The jets were contending and as I said, the jets should have been one of the best teams in the league last year, so keeping Trouba in a contending year was smart imo. He still got a decent amount for him in pionk and the first (heinola). I would have liked a top center prospect but Trouba only wanted to go to NY so getting a lot wasn’t possible.

I don’t know, you can’t expect chevy to make every good move. Washington has good relations with Vegas (old gm and whatever) so Stephenson made sense. Drafting in later rounds is hit or miss. Chevy has definitely gotten better outside the 1st over the years though. I don’t know, I am almost sure that niku will be a top 4 guy somewhere. I just don’t think it’ll be with the jets. As for appleton, I see him as a bottom 6 guy. That’s all. Same with harkins.

As I said, don’t like the Stanley move either.

I still think chevy has done a great job. He built a contender. Now after a mass exodus on defense they are just a playoff team. After getting 1-2 top 4 guys and a 2c, this team should be good imo. I think you are a little too hard on him. Yes opportunities have presented themselves but you can’t expect a gm to make every good trade.

I don't really care about Lemieux so much as it was an overpay and just another asset dealt for short term help, asset management hasn't been great in Winnipeg.

I stand by that they'd be in a much better position now had they traded Trouba earlier, they had two other solid RHD, they would of been fine without him.

Well if Appleton and Harkins are just bottom 6 players that's my point, after 9 years of drafting and not one top 6 forward or top 4 D drafted outside of the 1st round, thankfully they've mostly hit on their 1st rounders but I bet their drafting is about average really.

I don't expect Chevy to make every good trade, just one here or there would be nice.. Lol

Fair enough on the Lemieux point. I don’t disagree

They would be in a better position but imo, without Trouba, the jets aren’t at the same level unless they got a 2c out of it, which was unlikely.

Nic petan was loaded with potential but maurice wasted him. Green got injured too much otherwise he too looked like a top 4 guy. Eric foley looked like at least a future middle six player but he was moved for stastny. Comrie looked good but hasn’t made it in the nhl. I do not disagree that the jets weren’t great outside the 1st round before 2015 but since then, the jets have nabbed a bunch of potential top 4/top6 players. Among them: niku, gawanke, chisholm, harkins, appleton (those 2 I doubt), kovacevic, blaisdell, nikkannen, smith. These are all great picks imo and they all have potential to be top 6/top 4. At least over the past few years, the jets have done a great job of getting steals in later rounds. I personally don’t expect to get top 4/top6 players past the 2nd. If I even get one I’d be happy. There are only like 10 (estimate very much off the top of my head) or so each draft that get that far.

I think that the stastny trade was very good. Chevy just couldn’t follow it up with signing stastny. The demelo trade was good. The Kane trade was gold. The Hayes trade made sense at the time (though it didn’t work out as not every rental does). The Trouba trade was adequate given the circumstances. Imo the only bad trades of his were moving up for Stanleyand the mason dump

I don’t have a problem with the trades chevy has made, or even the ones he hasn’t. My only problem is that chevy has been too busy finding short term fixes when we needed a long term one. We’ve had a 2c problem since 2016 and chevy has given up 2 1sts, 3 mid round picks, a very good prospect, and a young bottom 6 player. I swear you could package half of those and find a long term fix. Or better yet, chevy gives stastny the 3rd year Vegas did