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Créé par: In_it_to_winnik

Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 4 sept. 2020

Publié: 4 sept. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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people think for some reason that you could get Hamilton for a 1st+ johnsson. This could only happen if Carolina believes they cannot afford him

Assets gained for Carolina:
-Young cost controlled forward in the right age group that would be great in the top 6
-best prospect in the organization that is a sure fire top 4 dman in the future
-#1 goalie who is only owed 1 million this year and would excel behind Carolinas defense.

Assets to toronto
- A legit #1 right handed defenseman which they haven't had in decades also signed to an extension
-under league average goalie who could be bought out/traded for picks (in the deal for money)

What do you think of this deal value wise?

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TOR

Détails additionnels:

Extended 8×8

CAR

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Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
15	81 500 000 $	69 743 250 $	0 $	0 $	11 756 750 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 5
Engvall, Pierre 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ G UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Mrázek, Petr 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ G UFA - 1

Rosén, Calle 750 000 $750 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 48

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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IMO LIljegren plus would be better than Sandin because Bean will basically want the same job as Sandin and they already have Slavin and Skjei...

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 50

BadTradePolice

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overpay

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 50

In_it_to_winnik

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

IMO LIljegren plus would be better than Sandin because Bean will basically want the same job as Sandin and they already have Slavin and Skjei...

Sandin is MUCH better than Lilly. I was thinking quality over quantity. Plus Carolina has proven that they are more than happy to stockpile defense

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 50

SweetRevenge19

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Makes too much sense for Leafs fans to grasp. They didn’t outright fleece the other team

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4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 51

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

overpay

Nopppe

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 54

Sean4417

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This is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really incredibly bad

4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 55

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Quoting: SweetRevenge19

Makes too much sense for Leafs fans to grasp. They didn’t outright fleece the other team

Too much sense? Let's break it down then.

Andersen and Mrazek both UFA's next year. Pretty well a wash, and doesn't provide any sort of upgrade in goal.
Nylander and our best defensive prospect for a guy who is due for a massive extension when we are already tight to the cap? No, it doesn't make sense.

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4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 56

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Nopppe

im not even near a leafs fan and i recognize this an overpay. Sandin is a top 3-5 league wide d prospect. Freddy like it or not is still pretty good and nylander is a easy top 6 winger.

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4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 56

Ryminister_27

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Quoting: SweetRevenge19

Makes too much sense for Leafs fans to grasp. They didn’t outright fleece the other team

But it's fine for the other team to completely fleece the Leafs? .. great logic.

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4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 58

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KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

im not even near a leafs fan and i recognize this an overpay. Sandin is a top 3-5 league wide d prospect. Freddy like it or not is still pretty good and nylander is a easy top 6 winger.

OK. For a top 5 d-man in the league (worth much more than an average top liner), a starter who has a year left and a (great) prospect

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4 sept. 2020 à 17 h 59

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I like it really. I dont think they want to break the bank signing hamilton anyways. Now how the goaltending hold up in the playoffs I have no idea but mrazek and Campbell should be enough to get you there.

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 2

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

OK. For a top 5 d-man in the league (worth much more than an average top liner), a starter who has a year left and a (great) prospect

What? Your sentence does not make sense. Mrazek has less value than freddy, Nylander and sandin imo still carries more value than dougie whos gonna get a 8x8-10 extension next year.

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 2

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SweetRevenge19

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I think Gardiner needs to go the other way

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4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 6

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KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

What? Your sentence does not make sense. Mrazek has less value than freddy, Nylander and sandin imo still carries more value than dougie whos gonna get a 8x8-10 extension next year.

Good thing you're not CAR's GM lol

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4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 7

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Good thing you're not CAR's GM lol

if im carolina i take this trade 100%? i dont know what youre arguing here ill be honest

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 9

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KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Modifié 4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 15

Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

if im carolina i take this trade 100%? i dont know what youre arguing here ill be honest

THAT A TOP 5 D-MAN IN THE LEAGUE WHO'S A BEAST AT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE THING IS WORTH MORE THAN THE ABOVE PACKAGE. That's it

Would you move prime Keith for prime Marleau?

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4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 15

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Quoting: Jfstompers

They could trade/buyout mrazek and put the money towards another goalie like griess/koudobin.

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 16

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

THAT A TOP 5 D-MAN IN THE LEAGUE WHO'S A BEAST AT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE THING IS WORTH MORE THAN THEY ABOVE PACKAGE. That's it

Would you move prime Keith for prime Marleau?

thats not the only pieces in the trade though is it buddy.

Would i trade prime keith for marleau, a D+2 roman josi, and swap goalies for a worse goalie? Probably not if im the leafs.

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 16

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chaserice

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just stop with the Dougie trades. The aren't trading him to Toronto unless marner or matthews is involved

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 18

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leafs give up to much i would rather get rid of the 15th pick or liljegren instead of sandin

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 20

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SweetRevenge19

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Told you it’d be hard for them to grasp

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 23

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Quoting: In_it_to_winnik

They could trade/buyout mrazek and put the money towards another goalie like griess/koudobin.

Yeah but from Anderson unless you get markstrom or lehner none of the ufa goalies are really all that much better than mrazek. Id just extend anderson really and not move him

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 29

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KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: yeeeeeeeeeetttt

thats not the only pieces in the trade though is it buddy.

Would i trade prime keith for marleau, a D+2 roman josi, and swap goalies for a worse goalie? Probably not if im the leafs.

Very bold of ya to assume Sandin's 100% becoming Josi lol

I see him as a potential number 2, not as potential elite number 1

4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 34

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Very bold of ya to assume Sandin's 100% becoming Josi lol

I see him as a potential number 2, not as potential elite number 1

hes a top 5 d prospect league wide. His value to toronto is way too high for them to do this.

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4 sept. 2020 à 18 h 57

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

OK. For a top 5 d-man in the league (worth much more than an average top liner), a starter who has a year left and a (great) prospect

If Hamilton was truly a "top 5 D" in the league why does he get traded almost every other year? He is a really really good d man but simply not a top five d in the league

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