I think you mean Sandin not Holl

Lol, do you even know who Rasmus Sandin is. Nylander, Holl and a second is fair in my mind.

Yes I know who he is, do you know the value of a top RHD under a good contract? He’s the Panthers best defenseman if anyone wants him they’re going to have to overpay for him. This offer is far that.

The offer is plenty fair. But I agree that it would take an insane overpay. FLA is also a team looking to improve defensively, and it would make no sense for them to trade their top dman for a forward.

For that price the Avs would bite imo. I really like Francouz and think hes great value at 2M but Andersen + Dermott is great value in a trade and idk if I could pass that up

They definitely accept

COL accepts

Nah, I mean Holl. Trade doesn't happen if Sandin is included - he is my safety when Reilly probably walks as a free agent or gets traded.

Honestly, Nylander, Holl and the 15th overall in a deep draft should be enough. Especially if Chia becomes the Florida GM

That said, I'd be willing to add another prospect to this to get it done.

See, Toronto needs the cap relief. Colorado needs a starter. And I think Dermott has a lot of tools but not sure if he can put them all together. Totally willing to move on from him for basically cap space.

Eh, Nylanders a top right wing. Your point?

Point is RHD are more valuable than wingers and adding a bottom pair defenseman and a first isn’t enough. Any team would want a potential top pair defenseman prospect in return. That being said Cats aren’t trading Ekblad.

PC isn’t going to be the GM. Think it’s going to be EO or Weekes. Holl is a bottom pair defenseman. You don’t get a top RHD for a top 6 winger, bottom pair defenseman and a mid first. You need a top defensive prospect so they eventually have a replacement for what they are trading. That being said Ekblad isn’t getting traded.

Ok, if you don’t want to trade him, whatever. I don’t think a player of his caliber is a must.

I think it's a mostly fair swap that I modelled around the McDonagh trade. Most of the big-name D trades haven't netted what you are hoping for - they have either been one for one swaps (Subban/Webber, Josi/Johnsson) or picks and parts for a star (Karlsson to SJ).

I used McDonagh because I think he is a good comparable for Ekblad - 1st pair defensemen who isn't elite.

So, let me break down my though process.

To Tampa: JT Miller, Ryan McDonagh

To NYR: Vladislav Namestnikov, 2018 1st Round Pick (28th), 2019 2nd Round Pick (58th), D Libor Hajec (37th overall, 2016), F Brett Howden (27th Overall, 2016)

Let's say the 2nd round pick and Hajec were what it took to get JT Miller. That leaves us with Namestnikov, a 1st, and Howden.

So, in that case I'm giving you Nylander, a better 1st and Holl instead of Howden. Now, if you want sub Holl for someone else that isn't Sandin (Liljegren, Der-Arguchintsev, a different roster player) I think that's fair. Hell, if you wanted me to throw in another mid-rounnd pick on top of that I'd do that too.

But the history isn't there to support getting an "A" level prospect for a D-man in a package like this.