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Créé par: HabsRafiki

Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 22 août 2020

Publié: 28 août 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Not an original thought in any of these trades, so many thanks to those of you who planted the seeds and absorbed the wrath of the critics.

EDMONTON -- Oilers get a bonafide scorer who can play any forward position on any top-3 line, while Habs get a very good LD. Habs get Puljujarvi (whose NHL abilities remain unproven) for a very solid 2nd-round centreman who is being crowded out in Montreal's prospect pool. Perhaps Montreal could offer a conditional pick in 2022 that reflects Puljujarvi's success in the NHL.

VEGAS -- Vegas gets desperately needed cap relief in return for two young Quebec forwards.

DETROIT -- Habs get an excellent homegrown power forward who has stayed rooted in Montreal; Wings get much-needed help on the blue line, a promising two-way C/LW and the 16th pick overall.

CAP QUESTIONS: Even though the model shows the Habs are slightly above the cap ($400k) they won't have a problem being cap compliant this year. Looking ahead, with Caufield and Ylonen pressing up, Tatar will likely be allowed to go UFA and Byron would be taken in the expansion. That $8M would be spread between Gallagher, Danault and Petry. KK would need a short bridge. In 2022-23, assuming he's not taken in the expansion draft, Fleury would retire and be replaced on the roster by Primeau, opening up roughly $6M.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE		ANS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse		2	1 800 000 $

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Evans, Jake	2	1 250 000 $
Ouellet, Xavier	2	1 150 000 $
Juulsen, Noah	2	1 250 000 $
Vejdemo, Lukas	2	950 000 $
Mantha, Anthony	3	5 000 000 $
Turgeon, Dominic	3	800 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Détails additionnels:

Massive cap dump ($3.5M) for the Knights (assumes Alzner stays in AHL).

VGK

Détails additionnels:

Habs get a very capable partner for Carey Price and a goalie to expose in the expansion draft, as well as two big Quebec kids with playoff experience to deepen/toughen the bottom 6.

MTL

Mantha, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
Turgeon, Dominic [Droits de RFA]

DET

Mete, Victor [Droits de RFA]
Poehling, Ryan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MTL)

MTL

Nurse, Darnell
Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]

EDM

Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
Olofsson, Jacob [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MTL)

Détails additionnels:

CONDITIONAL PICK: Assumes Puljujarvi plays more than 50 games on an NHL roster in the coming two seasons.

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	75 553 809 $	0 $	2 925 000 $	5 946 191 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tatar, Tomas 4 800 000 $4 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Danault, Phillip 3 083 333 $3 083 333 $ C UFA - 1	Mantha, Anthony 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4
Lehkonen, Artturi 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C UFA - 1
Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Evans, Jake 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Carrier, William 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ AG UFA - 4	Roy, Nicolas 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Puljujärvi, Jesse 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AD UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 5 600 000 $5 600 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 6	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 6
Chiarot, Ben 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Juulsen, Noah 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Fleury, Marc-André 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Ouellet, Xavier 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2

28 août 2020 à 9 h 2

buffbry

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Montreal adds in primeau and Domi to the wings deal or we pass

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28 août 2020 à 9 h 2

zk97

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You're over the cap because you overpaid Evans, ouellet, Juulsen

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28 août 2020 à 9 h 8

HabsRafiki

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Quoting: MaxDomi13

You're over the cap because you overpaid Evans, ouellet, Juulsen

Agreed. They were early signings, when I was still rolling in cap space. In fairness, I badly underpaid Mantha, so I'd still be way over. I think I'd dump the Puljujarvi idea and use that extra $1M to better the offer to Mantha.

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28 août 2020 à 9 h 15

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Quoting: buffbry

Montreal adds in primeau and Domi to the wings deal or we pass

As much as I like Mantha, he's not going to fetch you 5 pieces. You don't really need/want Domi. Primeau would a possibility. Perhaps one of Harris, Brook or Norlinder makes more sense for the D-corps that really only has MacIsaac and Seider in the pipeline. Maybe there's a way to do a sign-and-trade that would keep some of Mantha's cap with the Wings for a few years. That would make a 4-for-1 or 5-for-1 possible.

28 août 2020 à 9 h 19

mikearky

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Quoting: HabsRafiki

So you want the Wings to retain and still trade you Mantha, that would cost you more. Poehling has shown nothing thos last year, Mete is a 5 or 6rh defenseman and your pick is 16th. All of this and you want Wings to retain.

That is a HELL NO.

You say he is not worth that then why in the hell is every Hab fan trying to trade for him?

I have seen he is big power forward, so why would Wings give that up?

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28 août 2020 à 9 h 22

BStinson

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Quoting: HabsRafiki

This is a bad offer, Mete isn’t a worth much and Poehling hasn’t shown anything outside his NHL debut. Wing defense prospects excluding (Hronek, Lindstrom) include with an okay shot at being NHL regulars Seider, Cholowski, McIsaac, Tuomisto, and Johansson. Like we’ve hashed our multiple times, Detroit doesn’t want to sell Mantha as he’s our best offensive player and hasn’t played a full season due to fighting so he’s perceived value is lower. Over his last 82 games he’s posted 30G and 42A so would you trade a young power forward that is his prime for 16OVR and 2 ehhh prospects?

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28 août 2020 à 9 h 25

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Quoting: mikearky

No, I said that by retaining, the value of Mantha could climb to 4 or 5 pieces (like Primeau, Harris, Struble).

As for Poehling, there's not a scouting/prospect ratings service that doesn't have him slated anywhere from solid NHL prospect to Top 100. My fear is, as a Trump-endorsing American, he will tire of Canada's left-leaning sensibilities and won't thrive here. In short, I'd like him to go home before we wreck him.

As for why are Habs fans interested and I would say that were Mantha's name MacDonald and he were from Hamilton, there wouldn't be this degree of interest. The fact that he's a Francophone and has maintained his home in Quebec means a lot to a market that is starved for a hometown hero.

28 août 2020 à 9 h 39

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Le NO

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28 août 2020 à 10 h 8

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Detroit declines for the 32nd time in 3 days

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28 août 2020 à 10 h 18

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Imagine spending 17.5M on goalies...

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28 août 2020 à 10 h 23

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Terrible for Detroit, they could do MUCH better than that if they made Mantha available

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28 août 2020 à 11 h 10

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Quoting: Drw4209

Terrible for Detroit, they could do MUCH better than that if they made Mantha available

I won't disagree that Detroit could do better, but I doubt it would be MUCH better. Given that the Penguins got Kapanen (with 2 years on a cheap contract) and two depth pieces for the #15 pick, that's an indication that the #16 pick is worth a pretty solid player. Poehling is still rated highly by the prospect sites, including being #44 on the THN's Future Watch, which is ahead of Veleno, Rasmussen and Berggren. And, while he's probably not the second coming of Torey Krug, Victor Mete already has 171 NHL games under his belt and he just turned 22 in June.

So would Mantha warrant a bit more? Arguably yes. But the three pieces offered -- a ready-to-go player, a prospect and a top pick -- is still a pretty good haul

28 août 2020 à 11 h 18

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Quoting: cyrillicguy

Imagine spending 17.5M on goalies...

Since we'd be dumping Alzner, think of it more as $14M

. The Habs have an interesting problem in that they have to get another goalie under contract to make available for the expansion draft. Vegas has Dansk and Logan Thompson, so they're covered on that front. Having seen what a rested Price can do, the Habs need to find someone who can carry 30+ games and who might relish the idea of being a hometown hero for a couple of years.

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28 août 2020 à 11 h 34

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Quoting: HabsRafiki

Since we'd be dumping Alzner, think of it more as $14M

That's true, we do need to have an unprotected goalie. Didn't think about that.

28 août 2020 à 12 h 57

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STILL NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

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