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Overpay a team to take Johnson

Créé par: AlphaHockey65
Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 26 août 2020
Publié: 26 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
-Pens need to cut cap due to budget constaints.
-Getting rid of Johnson is a huge step forward for this team. Even if it costs a B prospect and Murray.
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  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2020 (DAL)
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  2. Légaré, Nathan
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  4. Riikola, Juuso [Droits de RFA]
  5. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
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26 août 2020 à 15 h 32
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no team is even consider those trades
26 août 2020 à 15 h 34
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Quoting: Gordon_Bombay
no team is even consider those trades


Why would Buffalo not consider Bjugstad for 3C for free (is a UFA) for moving up in the draft this year?

Also, Minnesota is getting a good prospect, a pick, a starting goalie, a young LD for a 33 year old backup and Greg Pateryn
26 août 2020 à 15 h 35
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Awful johnson trade wow
26 août 2020 à 15 h 36
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Johnson+ for goligoski, yotes get cap space, pens get the better player and cap.soacw after 1 year
26 août 2020 à 15 h 38
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Awful johnson trade wow


Good luck. It's a terrible contract that is going to cost the Pens a ton to move. They also won't use a buyout because they have to cut payroll. One of the worst moves by GMJR
26 août 2020 à 15 h 38
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Johnson+ for goligoski, yotes get cap space, pens get the better player and cap.soacw after 1 year


That + would probably have to be a ton. Goligoski is still a solid d man
26 août 2020 à 15 h 38
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Quoting: vic997
Why would Buffalo not consider Bjugstad for 3C for free (is a UFA) for moving up in the draft this year?

Also, Minnesota is getting a good prospect, a pick, a starting goalie, a young LD for a 33 year old backup and Greg Pateryn


I'd say 2 points in 13 games, back surgery and 4.1 mil cap does not equal free.
26 août 2020 à 15 h 39
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Good luck. It's a terrible contract that is going to cost the Pens a ton to move. They also won't use a buyout because they have to cut payroll. One of the worst moves by GMJR


Once again, McCann can move him. Look at Zaitsev / brown deal
26 août 2020 à 15 h 41
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Once again, McCann can move him. Look at Zaitsev / brown deal


Differences:
-Pandemic (flat cap) makes teams more hesitant to take on heavy cap hits.
-Zaitsev is younger and arguably a better player than Johnson.
-You would need to find a trade partner in this situation that is willing to take Johnson just to hit the cap floor. (there aren't any)

Also, you are way overvaluing McCann. He is barely a top 6 forward
26 août 2020 à 15 h 43
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I'd say 2 points in 13 games, back surgery and 4.1 mil cap does not equal free.


I think the move would depend solely on Bjugstad recovering. If he can't, the Pens would LTIR him as his salary is paid by insurance
26 août 2020 à 15 h 43
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Why would Buffalo not consider Bjugstad for 3C for free (is a UFA) for moving up in the draft this year?

Also, Minnesota is getting a good prospect, a pick, a starting goalie, a young LD for a 33 year old backup and Greg Pateryn


because we cant just take on 4.1 million without moving salary out
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That + would probably have to be a ton. Goligoski is still a solid d man


And the yotes need cap space, especially if they want to keep hall/sign someone in his place to keep the better draft pick, try simon
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
And the yotes need cap space, especuslly if they want to keep hall/sign someone in his place to keep the better draft pick


Very interesting. Honestly, I'd love to get goligoski back. He'd be a massive upgrade
26 août 2020 à 15 h 46
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Differences:
-Pandemic (flat cap) makes teams more hesitant to take on heavy cap hits.
-Zaitsev is younger and arguably a better player than Johnson.
-You would need to find a trade partner in this situation that is willing to take Johnson just to hit the cap floor. (there aren't any)

Also, you are way overvaluing McCann. He is barely a top 6 forward



Zaitsev probably is better than JJ but his contract is worse (more AAV and more term)

Also, at the time of the trade, McCann was better than brown. McCann + Johnson makes sense. The Zaitsev trade worked out for Ottawa pretty well. Other teams would be intrigued with McCann + Johnson
26 août 2020 à 15 h 47
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Why would Buffalo not consider Bjugstad for 3C for free (is a UFA) for moving up in the draft this year?

Also, Minnesota is getting a good prospect, a pick, a starting goalie, a young LD for a 33 year old backup and Greg Pateryn


MN is also taking on $5m+ in cap. Riikola isn't young (27 this Nov) and is waiver fodder. Stalock = Murray (neither is someone I want for a starter or even a 1B), plus Stalock is cheaper and MN has to expose either Murray or goalie KK in the expansion draft next year with this trade.

MN has PIT's unprotected 1st next year. Helping them out with their cap should be the last thing they do. The worse PIT is the better it is for MN.
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Zaitsev probably is better than JJ but his contract is worse (more AAV and more term)

Also, at the time of the trade, McCann was better than brown. McCann + Johnson makes sense. The Zaitsev trade worked out for Ottawa pretty well. Other teams would be intrigued with McCann + Johnson


As a Pens fan, I pray you are right. Johnson moving is addition by subtraction.
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26 août 2020 à 15 h 49
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MN is also taking on $5m+ in cap. Riikola isn't young (27 this Nov) and is waiver fodder. Stalock = Murray (neither is someone I want for a starter or even a 1B), plus Stalock is cheaper and MN has to expose either Murray or goalie KK in the expansion draft next year with this trade.

MN has PIT's unprotected 1st next year. Helping them out with their cap should be the last thing they do. The worse PIT is the better it is for MN.


Does this really help them tho?
They're losing a 1B in net, Pateryn is a slight upgrade at RD. They are losing a good prospect, another pick and their only servicable LD in the system with Riikola.
The Pens can't spend the extra cap either due to the cut in payroll
26 août 2020 à 15 h 50
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just buy him out. Saves cap and u can bring up one of the rookies
26 août 2020 à 15 h 52
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just buy him out. Saves cap and u can bring up one of the rookies


I think there's 2 reasons that won't happen.
1) GMJR does not want to admit he made a mistake with JJ
2) The team would be hesitant in paying for a buyout during a pandemic with a flat cap and revenues at stake
26 août 2020 à 16 h 10
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Penguins: (Sign one bad contract)

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26 août 2020 à 16 h 12
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Does this really help them tho?
They're losing a 1B in net, Pateryn is a slight upgrade at RD. They are losing a good prospect, another pick and their only servicable LD in the system with Riikola.
The Pens can't spend the extra cap either due to the cut in payroll


Pit can replace Murray in-house for cheaper than Murray will be with DeSmith.
Riikola has a cool name, but he has no value to MN.
JJ is a cap dump with a $2m+ net gain for PIT, plus they upgrade slightly with better d-man in Pateryn.
The prospect MN would have wanted PIT just sent to TOR (awful trade). MN has equal or better FWD prospects already in their system compared to Légaré.

This is bad business taking on $5m+ total cap for:
-a lateral move in net (with the possibility of Murray rebounding).
-A downgrade at RD with more term
-A couple of prospects that don't really do anything.

If you want to make some cap room do the Pateryn for Bjugstad trade that's floating around. At least it makes some sense for both teams. But with the way JR has been trading PIT probably throws in their 2nd next season. sarcasm
26 août 2020 à 16 h 20
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You can pile that heap of junk as high as you want, but the Wild still will say no!
26 août 2020 à 17 h 41
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Yeah... Nobody is taking on Johnson for that or anything close to it. Gonna have to add way more to get a team to swallow Johnson's contract
26 août 2020 à 17 h 59
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Murray or McCann gets it done...the notion that the Penguins will have to give up anything close to this package is absurd and the comments saying it isn’t enough are adorable and hilarious.
26 août 2020 à 18 h 12
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Murray or McCann gets it done...the notion that the Penguins will have to give up anything close to this package is absurd and the comments saying it isn’t enough are adorable and hilarious.


This is like MN offering Rask+Donato+Sokolov+4th for Bjugstad+McCann
 
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