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Lose Lottery Trade Up Idea

Créé par: cbalzer28
Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 5 août 2020
Publié: 5 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Lose lottery but honestly Rangers need a center more than a LW at this point so trade up to get Byfield/Rossi would be ideal. Especially since picks 3,4,5 could all use a goalie and LA is rumored Stutzle at 2.
Think they sign Deangelo to 1 year Arb and revisit next offseason. Possibly trade if Nils comes over
Trade Strome Straight up for a LHD with 1 or 2 years left and similar contract.
Buyout Staal or trade him with picks for cap dump
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RFAANSCAP HIT
15 500 000 $
11 000 000 $
1925 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Byfield, Quinton
1925 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
3rd overall
OTT
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Rykov, Yegor
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
pick 9 or 10 overall
If not enough could add a 3rd rd pick as well but only jumping 6 spots
2.
DAL
  1. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
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UFA - 1
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NMC
UFA - 6
Byfield, Quinton
925 000 $925 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
AD
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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C, AG
UFA - 1
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AG, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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UFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
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UFA - 1
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DG/DD
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UFA - 6
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
DG
RFA - 3
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UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
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5 août 2020 à 10 h 6
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BAD for Ottawa
5 août 2020 à 10 h 9
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Give Strome, Georgiev, 1st for the 5 OA but the 3rd OA is locked with Byfield or Stutzle
5 août 2020 à 10 h 17
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That's not good for Ottawa at all. Would you have taken Anders Niilson, Max Lajoie and 9 OA for Kakko last year?
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5 août 2020 à 10 h 24
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OTT doesn't need Georgiev or Rykov in the slightest. They decline easily.

But Oleksiak for Strome seems nice from DAL perspective. They'll take it.
5 août 2020 à 10 h 25
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the NYR don't have the 9th or 10th pick. Aren't they like 16th?. Only way of them going that high is Chicago, MTL, and all the other teams ahead of them winning their play in series. I'm gonna say its unlikely that every single lower seed wins
5 août 2020 à 10 h 47
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Ottawa laugh You're not moving up 6 or 7 spots for those pieces. Not even close enough to move up that many spots.
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5 août 2020 à 10 h 50
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the NYR don't have the 9th or 10th pick. Aren't they like 16th?. Only way of them going that high is Chicago, MTL, and all the other teams ahead of them winning their play in series. I'm gonna say its unlikely that every single lower seed wins


They get anywhere from 9-14 depending on how the play in rounds pan out
5 août 2020 à 10 h 55
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Ottawa laugh You're not moving up 6 or 7 spots for those pieces. Not even close enough to move up that many spots.


Ottawa is getting a starting goalie and a defensive prospect that is ready in a year, to fall 6 spots. Unless your ok with unknown commodities in net. Like I said throw in a 3rd rd pick as well but Its only 6 or 7 spots in one of the deepest drafts eve. Drysdale, Perfetti or Lundell could potentially fall to 9
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That's not good for Ottawa at all. Would you have taken Anders Niilson, Max Lajoie and 9 OA for Kakko last year?


Youre comparing 30 YO life long backup in Nilson to Georgiev who is a cheap starter in this league that is in his early 20's still and will continue to improve. And I actually like Lajoie and the Rangers didnt need a goalie last year so its not apples to apples.
5 août 2020 à 11 h 3
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Youre comparing 30 YO life long backup in Nilson to Georgiev who is a cheap starter in this league that is in his early 20's still and will continue to improve. And I actually like Lajoie and the Rangers didnt need a goalie last year so its not apples to apples.


Detroit would've to give up more expensive pieces just to move up 3 spots, Like i said those pieces aren't moving you up 6 or 7 spots not even close.
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5 août 2020 à 11 h 7
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Ottawa is getting a starting goalie and a defensive prospect that is ready in a year, to fall 6 spots. Unless your ok with unknown commodities in net. Like I said throw in a 3rd rd pick as well but Its only 6 or 7 spots in one of the deepest drafts eve. Drysdale, Perfetti or Lundell could potentially fall to 9


No they aren’t. They are taking Byfield or Stutzle at 3. The only way they don’t is an overpay, and let’s face it that isn’t even enough for them to consider doing it. And NO way Drysdale drops to 9, and very unlikely Perfetti does either. In fact it is highly unlikely that the Rangers pick 9, in fact the odds are better that they pick 1OA instead of 9.
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Youre comparing 30 YO life long backup in Nilson to Georgiev who is a cheap starter in this league that is in his early 20's still and will continue to improve. And I actually like Lajoie and the Rangers didnt need a goalie last year so its not apples to apples.


Sorry, meant to note that the difference in value between Lajoie and Rykov is likely the difference between Nilsson and Georgiev.

If you think about it, the Sens don't really need a goalie this year either though. It's not like they're going to be competitive, they have Nilsson and Hogberg already. If they want to upgrade in net, there's a bevy of short and/or long term options available in free agency. I'm not sold on Georgiev being a long term answer for anything other than a 35-40 game/year option.

If you're giving up a guy like Byfield or Stutzle, you better be getting back a sure thing, not 3 big question marks.
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Sorry, meant to note that the difference in value between Lajoie and Rykov is likely the difference between Nilsson and Georgiev.

If you think about it, the Sens don't really need a goalie this year either though. It's not like they're going to be competitive, they have Nilsson and Hogberg already. If they want to upgrade in net, there's a bevy of short and/or long term options available in free agency. I'm not sold on Georgiev being a long term answer for anything other than a 35-40 game/year option.

If you're giving up a guy like Byfield or Stutzle, you better be getting back a sure thing, not 3 big question marks.


I disagree, he has gradually been given more games every year and continues to impress, obviously every cheap contract still has something to prove but thats why there not making 8 mil a year. The risk you run to get a good starting goalie under control for years to come and to start at 2 mil/year. instead you could end up paying big money for those UFA's in a tight cap crunch year.
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No they aren’t. They are taking Byfield or Stutzle at 3. The only way they don’t is an overpay, and let’s face it that isn’t even enough for them to consider doing it. And NO way Drysdale drops to 9, and very unlikely Perfetti does either. In fact it is highly unlikely that the Rangers pick 9, in fact the odds are better that they pick 1OA instead of 9.


I mean every series they need to come out is tied 1-1 so anything could happen but thats why I said 9 or 10. But I think we will be surprised who is still there at 9 or 10 in this draft.
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I mean every series they need to come out is tied 1-1 so anything could happen but thats why I said 9 or 10. But I think we will be surprised who is still there at 9 or 10 in this draft.


There is always something that happens, but this year unless somebody pulls the trigger on Sanderson or say Mercer, the top 8 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz, Perfetti. But somebody always does so yeah you could be right, I remember just last year being shocked DET took Seider at 6 and the Oilers taking Broberg at 8.
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I disagree, he has gradually been given more games every year and continues to impress, obviously every cheap contract still has something to prove but thats why there not making 8 mil a year. The risk you run to get a good starting goalie under control for years to come and to start at 2 mil/year. instead you could end up paying big money for those UFA's in a tight cap crunch year.


Georgiev's .910 save percentage is league average for 2019-2020. His GAA is .22 above league average. His GA% is exactly league average. His quality shot % is exactly league average. His GSAA was .12.

Every single one of his numbers screams "League average". Does he have potential? Sure! Would I give up Byfield or Stutzle, and move back 6 places in the draft to see if he's going to hit it? Not a chance.
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There is always something that happens, but this year unless somebody pulls the trigger on Sanderson or say Mercer, the top 8 is Laf, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, Drysdale, Holtz, Perfetti. But somebody always does so yeah you could be right, I remember just last year being shocked DET took Seider at 6 and the Oilers taking Broberg at 8.


I feel like it always seems set in stone but the rangers taking Kravstov at 9 was a shock even, I have seen people not as high on Raymond, and Holtz and higher on Lundell but yea anything could happen past Lafreniere, Byfield/Stutzle. IMO
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Georgiev's .910 save percentage is league average for 2019-2020. His GAA is .22 above league average. His GA% is exactly league average. His quality shot % is exactly league average. His GSAA was .12.

Every single one of his numbers screams "League average". Does he have potential? Sure! Would I give up Byfield or Stutzle, and move back 6 places in the draft to see if he's going to hit it? Not a chance.


He also played in a 3 goalie rotation with one of the worst defenses in the league so I would take those numbers with a grain of salt. Ive seen nearly every game of his and I think he is clearly a starter in this league and top 15 potential in the right situation. But I guess we wait and see and honestly winning the lottery and keeping him and Igor would be my favorite outcome so he doesnt haunt the Rangers for years to come
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He also played in a 3 goalie rotation with one of the worst defenses in the league so I would take those numbers with a grain of salt. Ive seen nearly every game of his and I think he is clearly a starter in this league and top 15 potential in the right situation. But I guess we wait and see and honestly winning the lottery and keeping him and Igor would be my favorite outcome so he doesnt haunt the Rangers for years to come


Yeah, like I said, he could certainly become good, but it's certainly not a risk that I'd take right now.

I do think that the amount you get offered for him is going to decline the longer you hold onto him though. If he's still around next spring, he's going to Seattle.
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Yeah, like I said, he could certainly become good, but it's certainly not a risk that I'd take right now.

I do think that the amount you get offered for him is going to decline the longer you hold onto him though. If he's still around next spring, he's going to Seattle.


He's the only one they have to protect, everyone else is exempt and Hank is gone.
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He's the only one they have to protect, everyone else is exempt and Hank is gone.


I guess they just have to grab someone off waivers, or trade for someone that they leave unprotected? Never really 100% sure how it works, other than that you have to expose at least 1 goalie, and that players with 2 or less years are exempt.
5 août 2020 à 16 h 56
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Ottawa is getting a starting goalie and a defensive prospect that is ready in a year, to fall 6 spots. Unless your ok with unknown commodities in net. Like I said throw in a 3rd rd pick as well but Its only 6 or 7 spots in one of the deepest drafts eve. Drysdale, Perfetti or Lundell could potentially fall to 9

Do you not know how good of D prospects they have?? I mean Rykov is a decent piece but still
 
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