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Barzal Again Plus Hall

Créé par: BurnEmUp
Équipe: 2020-21 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 21 juill. 2020
Publié: 21 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Flames 2020 1st round they draft 8th OA (BUF) and roughly 13th OA (VAN) & 16th OA (CGY) depending on play-ins and playoffs.

Mackenzie's list:

8th - LD - Jake Sanderson
13th - C/RW - Dawson Mercer
16th - C/LW - Dylan Holloway

No 1st round picks in 2022, 2023 and 2024, but offsetting that by picking in the 1st round 5 times in 2020 and 2021 combined, 8 picks total in the first two rounds of 2020 and 2022 combined.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
711 000 000 $
32 500 000 $
1787 500 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
78 000 000 $
12 500 000 $
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
12 750 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Sanderson, Jake
3925 000 $
Mercer, Dawson
3925 000 $
Holloway, Dylan
3925 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Barzal, Mathew15 400 000 $Aucune compensation
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (BUF)
2.
CGY
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Sanheim, Travis
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
3.
CGY
  1. Boqvist, Jesper
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
4.
CGY
    To show the compensation to the Isles for the Barzal offer sheet
    NYI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
    Détails additionnels:
    2023 1st round pick (CGY)
    2024 1st round pick (CGY)
    5.
    CGY
    1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CBJ)
    Détails additionnels:
    To any team for a pick
    Rachats de contrats
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2020
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    2021
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    2022
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $74 948 332 $0 $882 500 $6 551 668 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
    AG, AD, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
    863 333 $863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Devils du New Jersey
    925 000 $925 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    733 333 $733 333 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    787 500 $787 500 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
    3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
    DG
    UFA - 1

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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 22
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    Two first?!
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 24
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    Yeah don't see Bennett getting a 2nd, A 3rd perhaps.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 24
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    Yeah don't see Bennett getting a 2nd, A 3rd perhaps.
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 27
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    Philly has no reason to do this. Not gonna get into value as it just starts pissing matches.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 30
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    Two first?!


    Yeah, I would say. The guy was taken 6th overall himself, is still just 25 and has averaged 30g/60p+ for 6 straight seasons. He's also signed for 3 more seasons for less than a $6.5 million AAV. If anything that return is light, but because this years is 8th OA and it's supposedly a good draft I figured that would do. C's of that quality don't go cheaply, they usually don't go at all.

    He'll also draw easier match ups than he ever did in Calgary now that he's 2nd in line behind Eichel.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 34
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    Quoting: Brigid1011
    Philly has no reason to do this. Not gonna get into value as it just starts pissing matches.


    They have no reason not to. They are deep at C, and deep on LHD and most of all, they are getting the best player in this deal and it's not even close.

    I get that they are also deep on LW, but the only guy on LW who can compare to Gaudreau on the Flyers is Giroux, who they could put back at C if they wanted to which make a deadly top 9. Plus Gaudreau has played RW at the worlds on US teams that were stacked on LW and never misses a beat.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 38
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Yeah don't see Bennett getting a 2nd, A 3rd perhaps.


    Late 2nd, early 3rd. It's a pretty minor part of this AGM anyways lol
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 45
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    Am I alone in thinking that I’d rather have Gaudreau + Monahan + 6 mil cap space > Barzel + Hall
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 49
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    Quoting: BurnEmUp
    Yeah, I would say. The guy was taken 6th overall himself, is still just 25 and has averaged 30g/60p+ for 6 straight seasons. He's also signed for 3 more seasons for less than a $6.5 million AAV. If anything that return is light, but because this years is 8th OA and it's supposedly a good draft I figured that would do. C's of that quality don't go cheaply, they usually don't go at all.

    He'll also draw easier match ups than he ever did in Calgary now that he's 2nd in line behind Eichel.


    But he'll have considerably less PP time which makes up 30%+ of his production, so youre going to trade 2 firsts for a guy that will produce 30% less than what youre trading for. Makes no sense, Buffalo declines
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 49
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    They have no reason not to. They are deep at C, and deep on LHD and most of all, they are getting the best player in this deal and it's not even close.

    I get that they are also deep on LW, but the only guy on LW who can compare to Gaudreau on the Flyers is Giroux, who they could put back at C if they wanted to which make a deadly top 9. Plus Gaudreau has played RW at the worlds on US teams that were stacked on LW and never misses a beat.



    Our Centre depth after Coots and Hayes is weak. Patrick is an unknown. Laughton isn’t good at Centre. Frost is an important piece long term. Giroux doesn’t and hasn’t played Centre in quite a while.

    The difference between Giroux and Gaudreau doesn’t warrant the Flyers giving up Sanheim ,Frost and a first. Like I said.....we have no reason to do this.


    Then there’s the salary cap. We can’t afford him.
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 49
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    I like the moves but too much for Barzal. I would get 10.568 x 5 which I believe is the max for 2x1sts 2nd and a 3rd. If they match..., offersheet pulock.

    Keep hanafin!!!
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 50
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    But he'll have considerably less PP time which makes up 30%+ of his production, so youre going to trade 2 firsts for a guy that will produce 30% less than what youre trading for. Makes no sense, Buffalo declines


    Why would you not have him on the pp with Eichel? I would.
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 51
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    Am I alone in thinking that I’d rather have Gaudreau + Monahan + 6 mil cap space > Barzel + Hall


    It's a lot more complicated than that though.

    The Barzal offer sheet cost us four 1st round picks, trading those two also added back Sanheim, Frost and three 1st round picks. Adding Sanheim led to Hanifin being dealt for expansion draft considerations which added another 1st and Boqvist.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 53
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    But he'll have considerably less PP time which makes up 30%+ of his production, so youre going to trade 2 firsts for a guy that will produce 30% less than what youre trading for. Makes no sense, Buffalo declines


    Why would he have considerably less PP time? You should probably play him on the 1st PP if he's productive on it and scores 30 goals a year.

    Incredible that the fan of a team who's biggest hole is at 2C would reject adding a C like Monahan in favor of two 1st round picks that will likely never be as good as Monahan, and even if they are it will take 2-3 years to see it and by then Eichel will be 26, 27 and probably forcing his way out of there because he's tired of waiting for the team to get better.
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 55
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    Why would he have considerably less PP time? You should probably play him on the 1st PP if he's productive on it and scores 30 goals a year.


    Hes not taking Eichels spot
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 56
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Hes not taking Eichels spot


    Who said he's taking Eichel's spot?
    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 58
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    Why would you not have him on the pp with Eichel? I would.


    They have Olofsson at LW. Youre still not putting Monahan in the same position hes was playing in Calgary anyway and you now dont have a center for the 2nd unit
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    21 juill. 2020 à 18 h 59
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    Quoting: Brigid1011
    Our Centre depth after Coots and Hayes is weak. Patrick is an unknown. Laughton isn’t good at Centre. Frost is an important piece long term. Giroux doesn’t and hasn’t played Centre in quite a while.

    The difference between Giroux and Gaudreau doesn’t warrant the Flyers giving up Sanheim ,Frost and a first. Like I said.....we have no reason to do this.


    Then there’s the salary cap. We can’t afford him.


    The difference between Giroux and Gaudreau has nothing to do with this, you'd have both not one or the other. Anyways, I'm sure there are many Flyers fans that would do this in a heartbeat. It's a great deal.
    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 3
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    They have Olofsson at LW. Youre still not putting Monahan in the same position hes was playing in Calgary anyway and you now dont have a center for the 2nd unit


    Whatever, I'm sure many Sabres fans would love to add a 25 year old 2C who's averaged 60+ points for the last 6 seasons instead of keeping the picks, especially since you still have Cozens in the system too. It's a great deal for the Sabres, and fills a need.
    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 7
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    Whatever, I'm sure many Sabres fans would love to add a 25 year old 2C who's averaged 60+ points for the last 6 seasons instead of keeping the picks, especially since you still have Cozens in the system too. It's a great deal for the Sabres, and fills a need.


    Yeah exactly they have Cozens, so they only need a stop gap and dont need to spend so much on a center that walks in 3 years
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    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 12
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Yeah exactly they have Cozens, so they only need a stop gap and dont need to spend so much on a center that walks in 3 years


    Cozens “should” be great. But 3 years might be what it takes him to become a good 2c. I mean 2 1sts for Monahan isn’t that bad and it’s a pretty good fit.

    Leafs load up their pp and it works great. Put them out for 1:30 hell 2min.
    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 15
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    Cozens “should” be great. But 3 years might be what it takes him to become a good 2c. I mean 2 1sts for Monahan isn’t that bad and it’s a pretty good fit.

    Leafs load up their pp and it works great. Put them out for 1:30 hell 2min.


    So what if Cozens isnt great and Monahan walks and that 2021 first becomes a great top 6 forward. Its short sighted and doesnt make sense. Sabres can get a cheaper stop gap
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    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 17
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    Nah
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    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 20
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    So what if Cozens isnt great and Monahan walks and that 2021 first becomes a great top 6 forward. Its short sighted and doesnt make sense. Sabres can get a cheaper stop gap


    LOL, you are out of your F-ing mind if you think the Sabres would turn this deal down. They've been treading water for a bloody decade, their franchise center publicly expressed frustration at the lack of progress that's been shown and they jettisoned everything and everybody that wasn't nailed down. If someone calls them and offers them a 25 year old consistent 30 goal 60+ point C for two freaking 1st round draft picks, they jump all over that so fast it'd make your head spin. They need to make the team better NOW. They've drafted top 8 for EIGHT straight years lol. I can't even believe I got any resistance on this one bahaha.
    21 juill. 2020 à 19 h 28
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    Quoting: BurnEmUp
    Yeah, I would say. The guy was taken 6th overall himself, is still just 25 and has averaged 30g/60p+ for 6 straight seasons. He's also signed for 3 more seasons for less than a $6.5 million AAV. If anything that return is light, but because this years is 8th OA and it's supposedly a good draft I figured that would do. C's of that quality don't go cheaply, they usually don't go at all.

    He'll also draw easier match ups than he ever did in Calgary now that he's 2nd in line behind Eichel.


    2 first round picks is too high. IMO he’s a good player I would love to have him, but that price is too high considering the 2021 pick will probably be a top 10 pick.
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