Sub Kakko for Lias and it's fair

I mean value wise we easily accept but I don't wanna move Zibanejad's contract

Zib is easily as good as Eichel, just a little older and a lot less term. i think its close

yeah the big issue is adding the cap. I'm not sure we could do it.

I'd say swap Jones with Trouba and the 2020 1st for a 2021 and it works.


Basically any trade should follow

1) Trouba
2) Mika or Kakko
3) 2021 1st
4) Other smaller roster player (Howden/Lias/etc)

Call me insane but I don't want Eichel in NY, keep going with our team, no need to move, say, ADA, Kakko and our 2 firsts this year for Eichel... can we please just keep going with the process pls? Is is too much to ask?

Honestly if I'm NYR, I'm calling the new GM and offering Trouba, Kaako and a 1st just to see if they say yes. Rangers were good last year with Kaako being pretty much useless and Eichel gives them unreal C depth

Lol useless... otherwise known as learning to play in the NHL at the age of 18

3 years difference. Mika is a WAY!! better two way forward. Rangers say no.

Eichel is already in NY lol. Last time i checked Buffalo is located in NY.

LOL good one didn't see it that way haha well played bud

I don't think Eichel detracts from the process, he's 23 and signed for a very long time. This wouldn't be a Sather type move like going after Barkov or Lindholm or Hertl or Gaudreau would be.

I don't think we should move any of our 1sts this year or ADA. And I don't think we'd have to. Mika is only signed for a couple more seasons and frankly, I'm not sure I want to ink him to a 10 mil a year contract that he's going to demand well into his 30's.

Would just like to say i agree, this was a value post. Don't want this just trying to get better at evaluating player value, which is hard on here since everyone disagrees almost all of the time.

I don't think you're wrong. The issue with Kakko wasn't really Kakko. It's that Quinn tried to make a puck possession player like Kakko into a dump and chase guy. And that's essentially neutralizing all of the positive parts of Kakko's game. I think as long as Quinn's here, Kakko's going to have a tough time. If Quinn's not getting fired, then it makes sense to bring in someone like Eichel who has already had a ton of success working in Quinn's system at BU.

Mika is the perfect example of a guy who would be fine with taking a hometown discount IMO

10 mil is a hometown discount in 2 years... Mika's new contract won't start til he's 29. Nick Backstrom just took a hometown discount of 9.2 mil... if you match that to the cap inflation in 2 years you get 10.

Then realize that you're probably looking at a term of 7 years. So you're paying 10 mil a year for Mika to be 33, 34, 35, 36....and he's already missed time in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Versus

10 mil for Jack Eichel entirely in his prime

Yeah Eichel isn't worth trading everything of value for in New York. Prefer status quo and just develop our own players. One player can't win on their own. It takes a team and we already have our superstars. No point in screwing it up for Eichel cause then we have nothing to surround him with like Buffalo. He's a great player, don't get me wrong, but his worth is too rich for my blood.

Panarin, Eichel, Zibanejad, Kreider, Buchnevich, Fox, Deangelo, Shesterkin, Kravtsov, Miller - it is a very good core to be a contender in the near future.

Obviously it'd be great, but I think the cost to get him is far too high. Plus he makes $10 mil which blows up our cap when we have to resign Zib, Buch, Fox DeAngelo, Shesty and everyone else in the next 2-3 years. This isn't NHL where you can make cap space out of thin air. The team needs to have a 2-3 year mindset when taking these moves into consideration.

Yes, in such a deal, two sides of the coin.

I think getting Eichel means you don't have to resign Mika....that's the point.

If you're trading Trouba and getting Eichel it's pretty much a wash in the cap situation...

I don't know man. The difference between Eichel and Zibanejad is not Trouba, at least one first and a solid prospect. It seems like a lateral move except for the fact that it costs a ton for a small upgrade in position. Why not use some of those assets to get someone to play behind Zib instead. It wouldn't be as costly and could give us much greater depth with Chytil centering a kids 3rd line or something of that nature.

you're paying for team control and age. It's an investment

For the rest of Zibanejad's contract, I think Eichel and Zib are really close. That's not what I'm paying for. I'm paying for Eichel's 26-29 seasons. Zibanejad will be in his 30's by then and cost at a minimum, the same as Eichel. I'm paying for that surplus value from Eichel there. And being able to avoid a contract with Zibanejad that will force me to pay him until he's 36.

I don't want Chytil on the 3rd line. I want him in the top 6. I think we're holding him back by playing him in the bottom 6. Give me Eichel and I don't have to worry about a 1C for the next 6 seasons. That's a no-brainer, especially since I'm making a short term lateral move going from Zib to Eichel. I'm not hurting my cap future by moving Trouba and I'm trading a 1st next year not this year. I don't see the downside....

If it only cost that, then yes it makes sense. But have you heard the prices that Sabres want for Eichel because they're the ones who are complaining for more. That's why I'm not a fan of the move.

I've heard Sabres fans demand a ton for Eichel, but that's usually different than what the team has in mind. What have you heard from the Sabres because they just cleaned out their entire front office?

I think a 1C, a 1st, a guy who would be their top RHD and a prospect is a pretty high price to pay. And would almost certainly get it done if Eichel actually went out and formally requested a trade....

Forgot to add the "fans" when I said Sabres. That price still seems pretty high to make it worthwhile for us. And for all we know Zibanejad could wind up making less than Eichel if that's what makes you want to trade him.