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Équipe: 2020-21 Panthers de la Floride
Date de création initiale: 11 mai 2020
Publié: 11 mai 2020
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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FLA
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
  3. Lundkvist, Nils [Liste de réserve]
  4. Strome, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
  7. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
NYR
  1. Barkov, Aleksander
Détails additionnels:
This is pretty much how excessive a trade involving Barkov should be.

Not that it's going to happen.
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CBJ
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
  2. Borgström, Henrik [Droits de RFA]
  3. Vatrano, Frank
Détails additionnels:
Not that this trade would happen, but Bob in CBJ worked pretty well, and this way the relative cost of the assets is fairly similar.
3.
FLA
  1. Milano, Sonny [Droits de RFA]
ANA
  1. Strålman, Anton (1 375 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Ducks have a surplus of wingers, and need of RHDs while the situation is vice-versa for FLA.
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FLA
  1. Calvert, Matt
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (COL)
COL
  1. Murray, Ryan
Détails additionnels:
FLA needs to cut costs. Adding a bottom-4 D could work for a team like COL that is close to a contending status
5.
FLA
  1. Quinney, Gage [Droits de RFA]
VGK
  1. Montembeault, Samuel [Droits de RFA]
6.
FLA
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (FLA)
MTL
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
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Lifting up in the order
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11 mai 2020 à 22 h 36
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Columbus afford Bobrovsky. Plus he wouldn’t ever waive to go back to Columbus. He kinda left on bad terms.
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11 mai 2020 à 22 h 50
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I think you're also a little light on the Barkov deal.
Georgiev is worth a 5th, Strome had 1 good season with Panarin (he could put it together with Huby potentially)
Then it's essentially a three B+ prospects and a 2nd round pick.

Barkov is probably worth Howden + DeAngelo + Kakko + 1st

In other words, it would be dumb of Florida/NYR to make this deal
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11 mai 2020 à 22 h 51
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Quoting: jmac490
I think you're also a little light on the Barkov deal.
Georgiev is worth a 5th, Strome had 1 good season with Panarin (he could put it together with Huby potentially)
Then it's essentially a three B+ prospects and a 2nd round pick.

Barkov is probably worth Howden + DeAngelo + Kakko + 1st

In other words, it would be dumb of Florida/NYR to make this deal


Georgiev is not worth a ****ing 5th.
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11 mai 2020 à 22 h 55
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Georgiev is not worth a ****ing 5th.


3.04 SV%, lost his starting job to Shesterkin, Hasn't proven he's a starter, odd duck out in NY, not many teams looking for a goalie...

Markets slim for goalies as is, and given the upcoming UFA market for goalies, the market will become slimmer.

He had value when he was playing well. Just not consistent enough.
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11 mai 2020 à 22 h 57
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Quoting: jmac490
I think you're also a little light on the Barkov deal.
Georgiev is worth a 5th, Strome had 1 good season with Panarin (he could put it together with Huby potentially)
Then it's essentially a three B+ prospects and a 2nd round pick.

Barkov is probably worth Howden + DeAngelo + Kakko + 1st

In other words, it would be dumb of Florida/NYR to make this deal


Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Georgiev is not worth a ****ing 5th.


Yeah Georgiev is worth more than a 5th, id say around a 3rd or 2nd? And i could still be wrong?

BUT: To say Barkov is worth Kakko (just the second overall pick), DeAngelo (who just sparked in NY), Howden (who is a pretty decent prospect), and a middle of the road 1st is bad. It just is! I dont have a horse in this race, im just tryna help both of u guys.

Barkov for Strome, Georgiev, Howden, Kravitsov, and 2 firsts is more than sufficient on Floridas end, and more than acceptable for the Rangers to give up (not giving up a top 5 prospect in the league, etc...)
11 mai 2020 à 22 h 58
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Quoting: jmac490
3.04 SV%, lost his starting job to Shesterkin, Hasn't proven he's a starter, odd duck out in NY, not many teams looking for a goalie...

Markets slim for goalies as is, and given the upcoming UFA market for goalies, the market will become slimmer.

He had value when he was playing well. Just not consistent enough.


Lost his starting job to a superior goaltender?
11 mai 2020 à 22 h 58
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3.04 SV%, lost his starting job to Shesterkin, Hasn't proven he's a starter, odd duck out in NY, not many teams looking for a goalie...

Markets slim for goalies as is, and given the upcoming UFA market for goalies, the market will become slimmer.

He had value when he was playing well. Just not consistent enough.


Oh and just saw this as i posted: Goalies take longer to develop. So this arguement is also invalid unforunately.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 0
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Yeah Georgiev is worth more than a 5th, id say around a 3rd or 2nd? And i could still be wrong?

BUT: To say Barkov is worth Kakko (just the second overall pick), DeAngelo (who just sparked in NY), Howden (who is a pretty decent prospect), and a middle of the road 1st is bad. It just is! I dont have a horse in this race, im just tryna help both of u guys.

Barkov for Strome, Georgiev, Howden, Kravitsov, and 2 firsts is more than sufficient on Floridas end, and more than acceptable for the Rangers to give up (not giving up a top 5 prospect in the league, etc...)


If you saw what they got for Trocheck it wouldn't be the craziest idea to think it won't cost that much. Remember the Zibanejad Brassard trade? Melnyk didn't want to pay Zibbys signing bonus so he traded him for a 3C!!!!! Florida could get desperate and we could offer a slimmer package but it is still a good chance they under sell him.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 5
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Yeah Georgiev is worth more than a 5th, id say around a 3rd or 2nd? And i could still be wrong?

BUT: To say Barkov is worth Kakko (just the second overall pick), DeAngelo (who just sparked in NY), Howden (who is a pretty decent prospect), and a middle of the road 1st is bad. It just is! I dont have a horse in this race, im just tryna help both of u guys.

Barkov for Strome, Georgiev, Howden, Kravitsov, and 2 firsts is more than sufficient on Floridas end, and more than acceptable for the Rangers to give up (not giving up a top 5 prospect in the league, etc...)


I could maybe see Georgiev for a 3rd. I could be a bit harsh on him, I'm just not a huge fan.

And Kakko isn't a Top 5 prospect in the league. Neither is J. Hughes. Off the top of my head, both Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar were far and away the better players this season.

You have to consider Barkov is young, making 5.9 million, and consistently puts up 95 points.

Strome was bouncing around teams before settling in with Panarin, and looked lost when they split them up (maybe Panarin was injured, not 100% sure).
Lundkvist is unproven
Kravtsov hasn't touched NA ice, and didn't live up to the playoff hype in the following year in the K/MHL
The 1st will likely be pretty good, not franchise altering though
And Georgiev is inconsistent, and his value is probably at its lowest point, considering he is the backup/3rd goalie in NY and with the Wall signing it complicates things further.

You'd need to sell the farm for Barkov.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 6
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
If you saw what they got for Trocheck it wouldn't be the craziest idea to think it won't cost that much. Remember the Zibanejad Brassard trade? Melnyk didn't want to pay Zibbys signing bonus so he traded him for a 3C!!!!! Florida could get desperate and we could offer a slimmer package but it is still a good chance they under sell him.


Bro when that zibby trade happened i was like damn thats terrible.
Even if they were nearly equal skillwise, zibby was younger and had so much more potential
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 6
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Oh and just saw this as i posted: Goalies take longer to develop. So this arguement is also invalid unforunately.


I mean. Binner had a heck of a year. He's the same age as Georgiev, no?

Edit: Georgiev is 24, Binner is 26
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 9
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
Georgiev is not worth a ****ing 5th.


I'd say a late 2nd to an early third. Rangers fans drastically overvalue his trade value.

Goaltenders rarely get what they are worth, and Georgiev's stats overall are enhanced by one hot streak. He's a career backup - a good one, but nonetheless a backup with jobshare ability.
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 9
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Quoting: Kakko_to_New_York
If you saw what they got for Trocheck it wouldn't be the craziest idea to think it won't cost that much. Remember the Zibanejad Brassard trade? Melnyk didn't want to pay Zibbys signing bonus so he traded him for a 3C!!!!! Florida could get desperate and we could offer a slimmer package but it is still a good chance they under sell him.


Trocheck's value was also at its lowest point since he spent the majority of the season injured.
Trocheck is also a 2C.
I'd clump Barkov with centers like Bergeron/Tavares/Draisaitl.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 12
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I could maybe see Georgiev for a 3rd. I could be a bit harsh on him, I'm just not a huge fan.

And Kakko isn't a Top 5 prospect in the league. Neither is J. Hughes. Off the top of my head, both Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar were far and away the better players this season.

You have to consider Barkov is young, making 5.9 million, and consistently puts up 95 points.

Strome was bouncing around teams before settling in with Panarin, and looked lost when they split them up (maybe Panarin was injured, not 100% sure).
Lundkvist is unproven
Kravtsov hasn't touched NA ice, and didn't live up to the playoff hype in the following year in the K/MHL
The 1st will likely be pretty good, not franchise altering though
And Georgiev is inconsistent, and his value is probably at its lowest point, considering he is the backup/3rd goalie in NY and with the Wall signing it complicates things further.

You'd need to sell the farm for Barkov.


I see the problem, you are basing young players value based on their seasons rather than their potential still:

Listen, as a bruins fan, im not gonna tell you zboril is still worth a 1st (being the 2015 first round pick), because he is beggining to lose value and become a bust.
However: Nils hasnt even played NHL action yet, Kakko had a hard Rookie Season (like Hughes), and again, like I said, Georgiev is a goalie and they take their time to develop. (think of Rask being traded for an old and washed up Andrew Raycroft because he wasnt developing fast enough for the leafs lol, goalies dont lose value that quick)

To your point that Barkov is a cheap contract, I did have that factored into my trade (which was a middle ground between yours and the other guys)
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 12
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I mean. Binner had a heck of a year. He's the same age as Georgiev, no?

Edit: Georgiev is 24, Binner is 26


Good one lol
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 15
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Quoting: jmac490
I think you're also a little light on the Barkov deal.
Georgiev is worth a 5th, Strome had 1 good season with Panarin (he could put it together with Huby potentially)
Then it's essentially a three B+ prospects and a 2nd round pick.

Barkov is probably worth Howden + DeAngelo + Kakko + 1st

In other words, it would be dumb of Florida/NYR to make this deal


Calls Lundkvist and Kravtsov "B level prospects" and then counters with Howden tears of joy
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 20
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I see the problem, you are basing young players value based on their seasons rather than their potential still:

Listen, as a bruins fan, im not gonna tell you zboril is still worth a 1st (being the 2015 first round pick), because he is beggining to lose value and become a bust.
However: Nils hasnt even played NHL action yet, Kakko had a hard Rookie Season (like Hughes), and again, like I said, Georgiev is a goalie and they take their time to develop. (think of Rask being traded for an old and washed up Andrew Raycroft because he wasnt developing fast enough for the leafs lol, goalies dont lose value that quick)

To your point that Barkov is a cheap contract, I did have that factored into my trade (which was a middle ground between yours and the other guys)


Fair points. If Florida was to rebuild though, they would need a solid franchise piece back.
Kakko could be that player. But C > Wingers (and my comparison would be Matthews who had 70 some odd points in his first season, or a better example would be A. Svechnikov who I think had somewhere around 45-50 points in his first season). Kakko was pretty inconsistent, but he has the potential to be very good.

Kakko, Lundkvist, 2020 1st. I still think there should be more for a guy like Barkov (guaranteed 90 points/season - for 2 or 3 more seasons (then it's a massive payday).
But those 3 pieces could be really nice for a rebuild
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 21
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Quoting: Ezequiel
Calls Lundkvist and Kravtsov "B level prospects" and then counters with Howden tears of joy


I mean... There are other pieces to that deal. Just not a big fan of Kravtsov. I could be persuaded on Lundkvist.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 23
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I mean... There are other pieces to that deal. Just not a big fan of Kravtsov. I could be persuaded on Lundkvist.


You basically said: "I don't want the best defensive prospect in Europe, or the KHL rookie of the year last season. Give me a borderline 4th line center"
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 23
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Columbus afford Bobrovsky. Plus he wouldn’t ever waive to go back to Columbus. He kinda left on bad terms.


It would be worth it though if they had behind the scenes show and Torts all season just chirped Bob.

"HOW MUCH YOU MAKE? 10 MILLION WONT EVEN GET 10 SAVES!!!"

or something like that
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 26
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Quoting: Ezequiel
You basically said: "I don't want the best defensive prospect in Europe, or the KHL rookie of the year last season. Give me a borderline 4th line center"


Kravtsov won RotY off a strong playoff performance, but then bounced around the K/MHL this year. His regular season last year was also super unimpressive.

And tbf, I know very little about Lundkvist, so I could be mistaken in calling him a B+ prospect.

Edit: it is the 17/18 playoffs I'm thinking of where he has 11 points in 16 games.
21 points in 50 games as a 19 year old in the K is pretty good.
His AHL tenure was pretty unimpressive though.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 28
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Quoting: jmac490
Kravtsov won RotY off a strong playoff performance, but then bounced around the K/MHL this year. His regular season last year was also super unimpressive.

And tbf, I know very little about Lundkvist, so I could be mistaken in calling him a B+ prospect.


Lundkvist has the record for most points in SHL history for an under 20 and its not even close...He smashed the record.
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11 mai 2020 à 23 h 31
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Lundkvist has the record for most points in SHL history for an under 20 and its not even close...He smashed the record.


30 points in 44 games is pretty impressive. Hopefully it translates in the NHL.

Late round steal too. (Kinda like Sandin)
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 33
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
It would be worth it though if they had behind the scenes show and Torts all season just chirped Bob.

"HOW MUCH YOU MAKE? 10 MILLION WONT EVEN GET 10 SAVES!!!"

or something like that


Lol. Exactly. Columbus 100% doesn’t want Bob back.
11 mai 2020 à 23 h 35
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Lol. Exactly. Columbus 100% doesn’t want Bob back.


No one wants with that contract lol.
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