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Players That Have The Potential To Win The Hart IMO

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Date de création initiale: 1 mai 2020
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1 mai 2020 à 11 h 52
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Leon is and should be the winner. anyone else is a massive mistake
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1 mai 2020 à 11 h 56
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Quoting: Herms17
Leon is and should be the winner. anyone else is a massive mistake


Maybe. The one thing that concerns me, and it is not taking away from him, is that he is playing with another Hart Trophy winner. I think that Eichel has a legitimate shot this year because he has absolutely nobody around him.
1 mai 2020 à 11 h 58
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Leon is and should be the winner. anyone else is a massive mistake


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Maybe. The one thing that concerns me, and it is not taking away from him, is that he is playing with another Hart Trophy winner. I think that Eichel has a legitimate shot this year because he has absolutely nobody around him.


My pick would be Panarin. He led a team without much firepower into the playoff picture (Mika was out for a while). He's also is elite offensively and defensively.
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 1
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Quoting: Herms17
Leon is and should be the winner. anyone else is a massive mistake


Quoting: OkBoomer
Maybe. The one thing that concerns me, and it is not taking away from him, is that he is playing with another Hart Trophy winner. I think that Eichel has a legitimate shot this year because he has absolutely nobody around him.


As i have said:
Hart: "player judged most valuable to his team"

If you had to trade either Leon or McJesus, you would you keep? You would keep Mcdavid.
If the player you want to be the Hart winner isnt even the most valuable on his team, he cant be the most valuable in the league.

Winners:
1. MacKinnon
2. Panarin
3. Hellebuyck
4. Eichel
5. Drai / Mcdavid
6. Marchy / Pasta

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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
My pick would be Panarin. He led a team without much firepower into the playoff picture (Mika was out for a while). He's also is elite offensively and defensively.


Well said
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1 mai 2020 à 12 h 16
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If Chabot is there then Josi should absolutely be there
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 23
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Maybe. The one thing that concerns me, and it is not taking away from him, is that he is playing with another Hart Trophy winner. I think that Eichel has a legitimate shot this year because he has absolutely nobody around him.


Leon played on the same line as Connor less than 50% of the time.

553:21 with McDavid
610:24 without McDavid

All Draisaitl's metrics (CF%, SF%, GF%, xGF%) are better without McDavid.
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1 mai 2020 à 12 h 23
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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
My pick would be Panarin. He led a team without much firepower into the playoff picture (Mika was out for a while). He's also is elite offensively and defensively.


Mika was out as much as Ollofson and I would say that Eichel was even more valuable than Panarin. Eichels defense is waay worse than NYR. I mean Eichel doesn't have a goalie that comes close 2 the Rangers 3 goalies. Ryan Strome, Mika, Trouba, Fox, Buchnevich are all playing better than most players on the Sabres. I get Panarin played very well but that team was a lot better.
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 26
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As i have said:
Hart: "player judged most valuable to his team"

If you had to trade either Leon or McJesus, you would you keep? You would keep Mcdavid.

If the player you want to be the Hart winner isnt even the most valuable on his team, he cant be the most valuable in the league.

That criteria doesn't work so well when you consider that the award is for 1 season only. There are all sorts of reasons you might want to keep one player over another that have nothing to do with single season performance.
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1 mai 2020 à 12 h 28
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Leon played on the same line as Connor less than 50% of the time.

553:21 with McDavid
610:24 without McDavid

All Draisaitl's metrics (CF%, SF%, GF%, xGF%) are better without McDavid.


500 minutes is more time than almost 99% of players in he NHL.get
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 32
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some of these guys have way to much help to win.
I do think Panarin is probably the most deserving.
He has the least amount of help and if he wasn't on that team, they'd really suck.
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
My pick would be Panarin. He led a team without much firepower into the playoff picture (Mika was out for a while). He's also is elite offensively and defensively.


Panarin would be a good pick, although I have to disagree with your assessment of the NY Rangers. They do indeed have quite a lot of firepower, in fact they are 5th in the league in goals-for, just 4 behind the 2nd place Leafs.

Here's another way of looking at a player's impact on his team's offense: take the player's total points and divide by the team's total goals.

Draisaitl 49.3%
McDavid 43.5%
Pastrnak 41.9%
Panarin 40.8%
Eichel 40.4%
MacKinnon 39.4%
Kucherov 35.0%

As far as offensive production goes, Leon Draisaitl is far and away the most valuable player to his team.
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 40
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500 minutes is more time than almost 99% of players in he NHL.get


I guess you missed the part where Draisaitl performed better without McDavid than with him?
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 42
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some of these guys have way to much help to win.
I do think Panarin is probably the most deserving.
He has the least amount of help and if he wasn't on that team, they'd really suck.


See post #11. Your assertion that Panarin had the least amount of help simply isn't true.
1 mai 2020 à 12 h 49
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I guess you missed the part where Draisaitl performed better without McDavid than with him?


I hope u missed the part where that would make sense. Who do the other team March there best lineup against
1 mai 2020 à 13 h 1
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is this for this year ? or potential for the future as well?
1 mai 2020 à 13 h 1
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I don’t think theres a goalie currently in the nhl that can win the Hart, carter hart or vasy would have to have a ungodly season to win it
1 mai 2020 à 13 h 37
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Makar? Cmon.
1 mai 2020 à 13 h 43
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Quoting: Nathan_Horton_18
I don’t think theres a goalie currently in the nhl that can win the Hart, carter hart or vasy would have to have a ungodly season to win it


Conner Hellebuyck is a top 3 contender for Hart rn
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 5
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See post #11. Your assertion that Panarin had the least amount of help simply isn't true.


That doesn't really prove anything. % doesn't mean not having help.
It's the other guys around you that is where they help is.
I'm sure OV has a high % too, but he has help on his line with Wilson and Either Kuzy or Backstrom.

Panarin though is a one man guy on NY. He doesn't really have help. His linemates are Fast and Strome. He's basically carrying that production himself on his back.
Dri on the other hand had Yamamoto and RNH to help. So he's had some help.
On top of it, Teams will put their best line on McDavid. Panarin got the other teams best line every night because he is their best line.
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 14
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That doesn't really prove anything. % doesn't mean not having help.
It's the other guys around you that is where they help is.
I'm sure OV has a high % too, but he has help on his line with Wilson and Either Kuzy or Backstrom.

Panarin though is a one man guy on NY. He doesn't really have help. His linemates are Fast and Strome. He's basically carrying that production himself on his back.
Dri on the other hand had Yamamoto and RNH to help. So he's had some help.
On top of it, Teams will put their best line on McDavid. Panarin got the other teams best line every night because he is their best line.


Ovechkin was involved in just 28.4% of his team's offense, so you're wrong about that too.
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 17
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That doesn't really prove anything. % doesn't mean not having help.
It's the other guys around you that is where they help is.
I'm sure OV has a high % too, but he has help on his line with Wilson and Either Kuzy or Backstrom.

Panarin though is a one man guy on NY. He doesn't really have help. His linemates are Fast and Strome. He's basically carrying that production himself on his back.
Dri on the other hand had Yamamoto and RNH to help. So he's had some help.
On top of it, Teams will put their best line on McDavid. Panarin got the other teams best line every night because he is their best line.


McDavid and Draisaitl faced opponents best pretty much equally. Total TOI vs Elites:

Draisaitl: 420.1
McDavid: 382.75
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 20
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Ovechkin was involved in just 28.4% of his team's offense, so you're wrong about that too.


28% is a lot for 1 guy.
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 21
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McDavid and Draisaitl faced opponents best pretty much equally. Total TOI vs Elites:

Draisaitl: 420.1
McDavid: 382.75


yeah they are still splitting time though.
come on post panarin on there. I mean that 1st line in NY isn't really all that great.
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 27
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28% is a lot for 1 guy.


It's low relative to the other players listed.
1 mai 2020 à 14 h 28
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yeah they are still splitting time though.
come on post panarin on there. I mean that 1st line in NY isn't really all that great.


Panarin 400.90
 
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