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St Louis Blues 2020 - keeping Pietrangelo

Créé par: suburbanrobot
Équipe: 2020-21 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 26 févr. 2020
Publié: 26 févr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Assuming cap inflation +$1.5MM
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
43 250 000 $
21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
88 500 000 $
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1.
STL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (STL)
Détails additionnels:
Picking MTL somewhat at random -- basically trade Allen for a draft pick between 2nd-4th round to a team that needs some goaltending help.
2.
STL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Again pick your favorite team -- basically Blais goes for a mid round draft pick in either 2020 or 2021.
NJD
  1. Blais, Samuel [Droits de RFA]
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Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 0
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If I am Oilers, I am trying to get Allen
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26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 1
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1. No thanks on Petro for 8 years... if he is resigned give him more money for 6 years. 9.5 mil for 6 years. Move Bozak or give Dunn less money and term. 1-2 years for 2.5 mil.

2. Why would you trade Blais and give a mil to Mac? Keep Blais for a mil and give Mac league minimum and have him play in AHL.

Also no chance MTL will want to have 15 mil in their goalies. EDM, Detroit and Carolina are who I would look to for an Allen trade.
26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 21
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Blais is extremely underrated. He's essential to the Blues 4th line.

I can see a team taking a chance on Allen in the off-season. Edmonton and Carolina would benefit from his skill set and affordable salary demands.
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26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 28
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I've been wondering if Husso is going to happen. I thought like a lot of others that he was in line ahead of Binnington. Mind you I only really paid attention to him when the Blues/Avs shares a farm team and Binn was playing for Providence.

Quoting: LGBstl
1. No thanks on Petro for 8 years... if he is resigned give him more money for 6 years. 9.5 mil for 6 years. .


Yeah this makes more sense. Much safer play and paying Petro 9 or so mil is worth it in the sense that you're guaranteed an elite player. Looking at you Skinner.

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If I am Oilers, I am trying to get Allen


A Koskinen-Allen duo for just under 9 would be reasonable. You could expect pretty damn decent goaltending out of either of them for 35 - 45GP.
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26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 32
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1. No thanks on Petro for 8 years... if he is resigned give him more money for 6 years. 9.5 mil for 6 years. Move Bozak or give Dunn less money and term. 1-2 years for 2.5 mil.

2. Why would you trade Blais and give a mil to Mac? Keep Blais for a mil and give Mac league minimum and have him play in AHL.

Also no chance MTL will want to have 15 mil in their goalies. EDM, Detroit and Carolina are who I would look to for an Allen trade.


Pietrangelo's long term projections are very favorable. Doesn't rely on speed or physicality to keep up, rather on skills, which has allowed players like Thornton and Weber to stay relevant deep into their thirties. Plus in eight years who knows where we are as a contender. If we can get Pietrangelo on an eight year contract for a lower cap hit that gives us more flexibility when we know we can be competitive, we should 100% do that.
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26 févr. 2020 à 12 h 47
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1. No thanks on Petro for 8 years... if he is resigned give him more money for 6 years. 9.5 mil for 6 years.


a) I don't think Petro signs for 9.5 for 6, b) DA has been prioritizing low AAV over term. Look at the Schenn deal as an example. Extend guys beyond their prime years to keep low AAV to keep the band together and hunt for additional championships while the window is open.

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Move Bozak or give Dunn less money and term. 1-2 years for 2.5 mil.


100% agreed on moving Bozak if it is possible and necesasry. I don't think Dunn takes the money/term you are proposing.

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2. Why would you trade Blais and give a mil to Mac? Keep Blais for a mil and give Mac league minimum and have him play in AHL.


Blais will return more value and is kind of an odd man out with the current roster. He's an arb-eligible RFA so he'll get a lot more than $1MM, probably closer to $1.75-$2.25. Too rich for the Blues if extending Petro. Sure I'd be ecstatic to keep him for a mil but you aren't being realistic.

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Also no chance MTL will want to have 15 mil in their goalies. EDM, Detroit and Carolina are who I would look to for an Allen trade.


Fair enough. I picked Montreal mostly because they have the Blues 2nd rounder from this year so the synergy was nice. The actual team matters less than the concept -- trading Allen for some draft capital and to free up space to sign Petro.
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26 févr. 2020 à 13 h 55
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Pietrangelo's long term projections are very favorable. Doesn't rely on speed or physicality to keep up, rather on skills, which has allowed players like Thornton and Weber to stay relevant deep into their thirties. Plus in eight years who knows where we are as a contender. If we can get Pietrangelo on an eight year contract for a lower cap hit that gives us more flexibility when we know we can be competitive, we should 100% do that.


I see the advantages and disadvantages to both sides. I just think I would rather give up a mil or two to lessen the term rather than have a 37-38 year old making 8.5 mil. Just my opinion.
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a) I don't think Petro signs for 9.5 for 6, b) DA has been prioritizing low AAV over term. Look at the Schenn deal as an example. Extend guys beyond their prime years to keep low AAV to keep the band together and hunt for additional championships while the window is open.



100% agreed on moving Bozak if it is possible and necesasry. I don't think Dunn takes the money/term you are proposing.



Blais will return more value and is kind of an odd man out with the current roster. He's an arb-eligible RFA so he'll get a lot more than $1MM, probably closer to $1.75-$2.25. Too rich for the Blues if extending Petro. Sure I'd be ecstatic to keep him for a mil but you aren't being realistic.



Fair enough. I picked Montreal mostly because they have the Blues 2nd rounder from this year so the synergy was nice. The actual team matters less than the concept -- trading Allen for some draft capital and to free up space to sign Petro.


Yeah I get what you are saying I just think Petro is a little different situation considering he is already 30. Getting him signed is a positive no matter what as he will still be a top RHD for at least 3 more years.

Also I do think if Dunn agrees to a 1 or 2 year deal you can get him at under 3 mil because of how low the term is. Basically allowing him to improve his point totals more to cash in big when that deal is up.

With Blais I guess I do not know exactly how all the RFA stuff works but just know he has not done anything to leverage getting more than Barbashev or Sanford did. Which is why i think 1-1.5 is doable.
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26 févr. 2020 à 16 h 14
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Blais will return more value and is kind of an odd man out with the current roster. He's an arb-eligible RFA so he'll get a lot more than $1MM, probably closer to $1.75-$2.25. Too rich for the Blues if extending Petro. Sure I'd be ecstatic to keep him for a mil but you aren't being realistic.



Blais hasn't earned more than Barby got. Maybe $1.25M tops at this point.
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26 févr. 2020 à 17 h 0
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Blais hasn't earned more than Barby got. Maybe $1.25M tops at this point.


Difference is that Blais is arbitration eligible and thus has more leverage. He'll get more whether or not he's earned it.
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Difference is that Blais is arbitration eligible and thus has more leverage. He'll get more whether or not he's earned it.



Mmm not necessarily. Eddy essentially lost his arbitration case, they're not automatic winners and guys who take it to a ruling tend to get traded soon after. Would you want to risk being moved away from this team for a couple hundred thou on one contract? I wouldn't.
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Mmm not necessarily. Eddy essentially lost his arbitration case, they're not automatic winners and guys who take it to a ruling tend to get traded soon after. Would you want to risk being moved away from this team for a couple hundred thou on one contract? I wouldn't.


I guess time will tell. I still think $1.75 is a realistic number on him after the season. I also think he's a prime trade candidate because the Blues have a glut of middle/bottom 6 wingers and Blais has more value to other clubs than he does to the Blues buried on the 4th line or as a healthy scratch.
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I guess time will tell. I still think $1.75 is a realistic number on him after the season. I also think he's a prime trade candidate because the Blues have a glut of middle/bottom 6 wingers and Blais has more value to other clubs than he does to the Blues buried on the 4th line or as a healthy scratch.



You might think he's a prime trade candidate now, but what about next year when perhaps Bozak and/or Steen is gone and we need good value guys around because Petro has been re-signed to a pricey deal? We're not exactly in a position to toss out cheap talent with upside willy-nilly. He can surely be had for the right offer, but it's not like trading him helps the cap situation much and I'm not entirely convinced just yet that another team will give the return we'd want. We'll see, there will be plenty of roster wrangling come summer.
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Quoting: mokumboi
You might think he's a prime trade candidate now, but what about next year when perhaps Bozak and/or Steen is gone and we need good value guys around because Petro has been re-signed to a pricey deal? We're not exactly in a position to toss out cheap talent with upside willy-nilly. He can surely be had for the right offer, but it's not like trading him helps the cap situation much and I'm not entirely convinced just yet that another team will give the return we'd want. We'll see, there will be plenty of roster wrangling come summer.


Yep 100% agree. I'm certainly not opposed to keeping him around at all, but if the Blues need a little bit of extra wiggle in 2020-21 to get Pietrangelo under the cap (and maybe another LHD) he's not a bad option -- every dollar counts. Would absolutely need to get good return back though, definitely don't want to just toss him in the trash like we are likely to do with JDLR.
 
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