23 mai 2019
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Seems like there are two factions here -- one that wants to see some blue line upgrades and willing to pay, and another that wants to hold firm.
I think there are several defenseman out there that would improve the blue line, where the Blues have been undeniably weak this season. There are the more expensive/sexy options like Giordano and Chychrun, but also some less heralded guys like De Hann, Lyubushkin, Wideman, Pysyk, Mayfield, and Kulak that I think would provide an upgrade or at a minimum some depth. Even if you stick with Mikkola-Parayko and Faulk-Krug, Bortuzzo hasn't exactly set the world on fire this year and I'm not comfortable at all with the RD depth behind him should someone get hurt. There is a bit more depth on the left with Krug, Mikkola, Perunovich, and Scandella.
It would be a very Doug Armstrong move to add a depth defenseman at a minimum. Who plays if one of the RD get hurt?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sicarius</b></div><div>Let’s define losing Tarasenko. If Seattle had taken him that would have been losing him. What the Blues trade him and get a 1st and valuable assets this no longer qualifies as losing. Losing a player refers to getting nothing in return when a player leaves the organization.
The Blues lost Brett Hul for example.
Your use of advanced state sounds like an agent arguing for more money.
Tkachuk is in the last year of his deal. Realistically, what’s his next deal look like, 9+ million per season? You don’t have to convince Blues fans that Tkachuk is good. We all know he’s a great player but he’s not a generational player. I wouldn’t want to pay him what he will get if I were a GM.
The value of a player isn’t just measured in advanced stats. For example, I’d rather pay Perron close to 4 million for the next 4 years than pay Tkachuk 9 etc..
Pretty much all Blues fans would like Tkachuk on the roster if the circumstances were right. Neither this trade nor real life presents it.</div></div>
I mean...you are moving the goalposts. You said in your last post "Tkachuk Would not be the best player on the Blues roster". That's not correct and I cited a bunch of stuff to basically prove it out, though not sure I should have bothered because you dismissed it as sounding like an agent asking for more money.
So now that we have established that Tkachuk would in fact be the best player on the Blues roster, we get to the work of figuring out a fair deal for him. In this case, the proposal was basically Tarasenko and Thomas for Tkachuk (I'll ignore the rest to keep it simple).
Tkachuk would come with let's say 8x8.5 AAV.
Tarasenko has 1x7.5 and then is gone. Thomas has 1x2.8 but the Blues have team control thereafter. He likely either takes a deal like 8x6.5 (maybe a bit more) or a 3-4 year bridge deal at a slightly lower cost.
So your two options:
Scenario 1 (trade Tarasenko for pick+prospect): Thomas at 2.8 year 1 and ~6.5 for several more years, 1st round pick, mid-level prospect
Scenario 2 (trade Tarasenko + Thomas for Tkachuk): Tkachuk at 8x8.5
Then the question -- would you trade Thomas + a 1st round pick (Tarasenko return) + a mid-level prospect (Tarasenko return) for Tkachuk on a long term deal? I say yes, you probably say no. Either way, it certainly isn't a "ludicrous" play as you said in your first post.