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The Market is Set

Créé par: TheGreekRat
Équipe: 2019-20 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 17 févr. 2020
Publié: 17 févr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
SJS
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Dillon, Brenden (1 635 000 $ retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (COL)
COL
  1. Karlsson, Melker (1 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Thornton, Joe (1 000 000 $ retained)
3.
SJS
  1. Studnicka, Jack
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BOS)
BOS
  1. Labanc, Kevin
Détails additionnels:
Boston gives San Jose an additional 2020 2nd round pick if they make the Stanley Cup Finals
4.
SJS
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $63 249 916 $660 750 $485 000 $18 250 084 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 6
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925 000 $925 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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769 167 $769 167 $ (Bonis de performance117 500 $$118K)
AD, C
RFA - 3
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700 000 $700 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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768 333 $768 333 $ (Bonis de performance65 000 $$65K)
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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763 333 $763 333 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
C, AD
UFA - 2
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736 666 $736 666 $ (Bonis de performance70 000 $$70K)
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 7
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5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
UFA - 3
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960 000 $960 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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1 900 000 $1 900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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675 000 $675 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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800 000 $800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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735 000 $735 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 8
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10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 8
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700 000 $700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C
UFA - 3
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700 000 $700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1

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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 14
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Youre overcharging teams
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 15
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Umm, hell no. Lol.

Labanc = Heinen. Which = 3rd and prospect.

Studnicka will not be traded for anyone that is currently available.

Be better off just calling him up and putting him RW2 or C3.

Market was not set. TB overpaying slightly to keep Coleman from going to Boston.

Coleman’s 21 g and 166 hits was worth more than a soft middle 6 fw.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 17
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Boston fans are gonna come complain but yes, that is market value now.
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 18
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teams can only retain on a max of 3 contracts at a time. you're well over that
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 19
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Boston fans are gonna come complain but yes, that is market value now.


that's actually not a bad price for a young top 6 option on a cheap deal. He'l have to be re-signed but its still a good price
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 20
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I do not think there is a word in the english language that accurately depicts how little interest the bruins have in that.

Also, i assume you’re going off the Coleman deal here. Well, here’s the issue.
1. Coleman is better.
2. Coleman is signed at 1.8 million through next year.
3. Studnicka>>>>Foote
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 22
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Umm, hell no. Lol.

Labanc = Heinen. Which = 3rd and prospect.

Studnicka will not be traded for anyone that is currently available.

Be better off just calling him up and putting him RW2 or C3.

Market was not set. TB overpaying slightly to keep Coleman from going to Boston.

Coleman’s 21 g and 166 hits was worth more than a soft middle 6 fw.


You are way off on Labanc's value.
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 25
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You are way off on Labanc's value.


Lol, no Sharks fans are, 🤷🏻‍♂️

Labanc 14g 44 pts per 82. Career

Heinen 13 38 per 82.

Same age, same type of game.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 25
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I do not think there is a word in the english language that accurately depicts how little interest the bruins have in that.

Also, i assume you’re going off the Coleman deal here. Well, here’s the issue.
1. Coleman is better.
2. Coleman is signed at 1.8 million through next year.
3. Studnicka>>>>Foote


1.Coleman is better in his own zone, but Labanc is just as good offensively if not better.
2. Labanc is 24, and will be an rfa and will likely sign for 4-5 years with you
3. Labanc makes 1mil right now and would allow you to further load up for a cup run
4.Vancouver first>>>Boston first. Foote is not much worse than Stud, they both have middle six ceilings.
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 26
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Lol, no Sharks fans are, 🤷🏻‍♂️


Lol no, you are. You hop into every thread to complain about every deal that doesnt have boston winning in a landslide because you dont understand the rest of the leagues value wise.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 30
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Lol no, you are. You hop into every thread to complain about every deal that doesnt have boston winning in a landslide because you dont understand the rest of the leagues value wise.



Hardly, i complain about Boston getting hosed. IE the above offer. Or getting sent things they don’t want or need. IE Thornton.

Send us a 1st and Merkley for Heinen then if you think that’s fair. Your 1st and top prospect for a soft middle 6 wing same age and stats as Labanc.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 37
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Quoting: papishark
1.Coleman is better in his own zone, but Labanc is just as good offensively if not better.
2. Labanc is 24, and will be an rfa and will likely sign for 4-5 years with you
3. Labanc makes 1mil right now and would allow you to further load up for a cup run
4.Vancouver first>>>Boston first. Foote is not much worse than Stud, they both have middle six ceilings.


I’ll respond to your points in order.
1. Labanc is not as good offensively as Coleman. Certainly not better. I know goals aren’t everything, but, c’mon. It’s kind of right there.
2. Yes, i am well aware of how old labanc and Coleman are. I am also well aware of Labanc’s status. I’m also well aware it’s going to take a heck of a lot more than 1.8 million to sign him.
3. I am well aware of Labanc’s cap hit. How exactly is that prorated 800K savings over Coleman going to put the bruins over the top?
4. Well, first off I find it the epitome of absurd—no, stupid, to put a “ceiling,” on prospects that haven’t had their first legal drink yet, at least not in the states. What did you think Labanc’s ceiling was when he was a 6th round pick coming off an 11 goal season in the OHL? We’re going to disagree about how Studnicka projects. I think he’s going to be a top line guy, there’s no point in arguing it. You’re going to say no, he isn’t that good, and I’m going to say, yes, he is. I have no interest in going back and forth like that. But my god, slapping a ceiling on a 19 and 20 year old, yikes.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 38
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I’ll respond to your points in order.
1. Labanc is not as good offensively as Coleman. Certainly not better. I know goals aren’t everything, but, c’mon. It’s kind of right there.
2. Yes, i am well aware of how old labanc and Coleman are. I am also well aware of Labanc’s status. I’m also well aware it’s going to take a heck of a lot more than 1.8 million to sign him.
3. I am well aware of Labanc’s cap hit. How exactly is that prorated 800K savings over Coleman going to put the bruins over the top?
4. Well, first off I find it the epitome of absurd—no, stupid, to put a “ceiling,” on prospects that haven’t had their first legal drink yet, at least not in the states. What did you think Labanc’s ceiling was when he was a 6th round pick coming off an 11 goal season in the OHL? We’re going to disagree about how Studnicka projects. I think he’s going to be a top line guy, there’s no point in arguing it. You’re going to say no, he isn’t that good, and I’m going to say, yes, he is. I have no interest in going back and forth like that. But my god, slapping a ceiling on a 19 and 20 year old, yikes.


Buddy I dont just make **** up, yeah projections arent perfect but I just go off of what the guys who get paid to project guys say about them
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 40
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Buddy I dont just make **** up, yeah projections arent perfect but I just go off of what the guys who get paid to project guys say about them


Then why are you here?
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 41
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Quoting: Chigurrhh
You are way off on Labanc's value.


He’s off on most things. You’re right here. Labanc has far more value than Heinen.
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17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 43
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Then why are you here?


Because im basing what im saying off what the pros say. I know you guys like to think of Stud as a future franchise player but according to the top guys he projects as a 2c type, very similar as foote
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 46
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He’s off on most things. You’re right here. Labanc has far more value than Heinen.


Lol says the guy who thinks Pasta is great defensively, Grizz is worth Krug $, Mac is the most important player to the org, and Heinen is a top 6er. LMAO.

Labanc and Heinen are same age, both play soft games, have similar career stats per 82. I’d certainly take Labanc over Heinen, but it’s not by a wide margin.
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 47
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Boston fans are gonna come complain but yes, that is market value now.


Just because Joe Sakic got the sun and the moon for Matt Duchene, doesn't mean Pierre Dorion and Marc Bergevin got way less for trading Mark Stone and Max Pacioretty respectively. (Both are better than Matt Duchene)
17 févr. 2020 à 13 h 52
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Because im basing what im saying off what the pros say. I know you guys like to think of Stud as a future franchise player but according to the top guys he projects as a 2c type, very similar as foote


Ya, (first off, you didn’t use the term project, you used the term ceiling), so if it isn’t worth having opinions, and we should just trust what whatever guy at the athletic says taht looked him up on hockeydb one time, why are you here? It’s all right there. I think the athletic is like a dollar a month right? Then you have free stuff like bleacher report. That’s all you need to know. Not even sure why you would watch the games at this point. The script has been written, right?

All due respect to the, “pro’s,” who are mostly complete and utter garbage, but I’ll form my own opinions thanks.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 21
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not to get into the middle of this boston argument.
But you do Thornton so wrong.
He should be allowed to go anywhere he wants not be traded like a commodity.
That's the least SJS could do for him.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 33
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not to get into the middle of this boston argument.
But you do Thornton so wrong.
He should be allowed to go anywhere he wants not be traded like a commodity.
That's the least SJS could do for him.



Why wouldn’t he want to go to Avs?

He’s never won a cup. This is his last season, Sharks are going nowhere. Avs at least have a shot.

The asking price is a joke but so is every trade on this AGM.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 41
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Why wouldn’t he want to go to Avs?

He’s never won a cup. This is his last season, Sharks are going nowhere. Avs at least have a shot.

The asking price is a joke but so is every trade on this AGM.


You are missing the point.
He should be able to choose. You know, going out on his own term.
I'm not saying he wouldn't go to this team or that. I'm saying just let him choose and go and be done with it don't expect a return on it.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 44
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
teams can only retain on a max of 3 contracts at a time. you're well over that


oh yeah, wasn't aware of that rule. Thanks.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 46
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You are missing the point.
He should be able to choose. You know, going out on his own term.
I'm not saying he wouldn't go to this team or that. I'm saying just let him choose and go and be done with it don't expect a return on it.


He has an NMC, he gets to choose.
17 févr. 2020 à 14 h 56
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Why wouldn’t he want to go to Avs?

He’s never won a cup. This is his last season, Sharks are going nowhere. Avs at least have a shot.

The asking price is a joke but so is every trade on this AGM.


the asking price is fine

i'm retaining as much as i can

a colorado avalanche news outlet (Mile High Hockey) said they thought it was a good deal to get Melker at the cost of Toronto's 2020 3rd round pick
https://www.milehighhockey.com/2020/2/2/21118996/the-avalanche-should-make-a-push-for-melker-karlsson-at-the-trade-deadline-rumors

and thornton would go for at least a 3rd, he's a future hall of famer who could fit it in really well as a 3rd line center for Colorado

if you put these 2 together i don't think it's that much of a stretch to get a 2nd round pick
 
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