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The only way Price leaves MTL

Créé par: Howyoudrouinnn
Date de création initiale: jan 13, 2020
Publié: 13 jan 2020 à 13 h 37
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
As a habs fan, it breaks my heart to think about moving on from Price. I see one of two scenarios playing out:

1- Bergevin sells off some of the Future to put the habs in a window to win now with Price and Weber. This is the option I see as least likely to play out.

2- Bergevin entices Seattle to take on Price and his contract. This might require MTL trading him to seattle, eating some cap, and getting consideration for seattle to take a random player, but it's the only way I see this working out tbh. I also see this only working if Primeau is close to ready.

Carey Price at a $8M cap hit would be a decent trade piece for Seattle if they could retain I think.
Transactions
MTL
  1. 2022 7e round pick (ANA)
Trade before the expansion draft.
ANA
  1. Price, Carey (2 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Consideration for Seattle not to pick player x, etc.
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Carey Price: 2 500 000 $ (23.81%)
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 350 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Keith Kinkaid: 675 000 $ (1 750 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
OTT
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ANA
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2781 500 000 $70 309 641 $0 $4 235 000 $11 190 359 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Weise, Dale
2 350 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Thompson, Nate
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Peca, Matthew
1 300 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Cousins, Nick
1 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Kovalchuk, Ilya
350 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
763 333 $
C
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Scandella, Marco
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Primeau, Cayden
880 833 $
G
RFA - 3
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Lindgren, Charlie
750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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13 jan 2020 à 13 h 39
#1
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Anyone think Seattle could flip Price? $8M a year isn't bad, and if Seattle eats some salary I could see it working somehow.
13 jan 2020 à 13 h 40
#2
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Price has a full NMC. He is automatically protected for the expansion draft.
13 jan 2020 à 13 h 40
#3
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Quoting: Karimizo
Price has a full NMC. He is automatically protected for the expansion draft.


but couldn't they trade him to Seattle?
13 jan 2020 à 13 h 44
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Quoting: Howyoudrouinnn
but couldn't they trade him to Seattle?


Only if Price wants it. He can't be traded unless Price himself decides to waive his NTC.
13 jan 2020 à 13 h 44
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Quoting: Karimizo
Only if Price wants it. He can't be traded unless Price himself decides to waive his NTC.


So theoretically its possible. He could be traded to Seattle, MTL eats cap so his cap hit is only $8M, then Seattle could flip him and retain more. OF course it all depends on if he agrees to it.
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13 jan 2020 à 13 h 55
#6
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it all depends on him. he wants out, he's gone.
13 jan 2020 à 13 h 55
#7
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I don’t think it’s an unrealistic situation if MTL asked price to waive his NMC to go to Seattle. They’d probably have to give something up for them to take him. I could see it being like Seattle picks random player from MTL, MTL trades price with 2.5m retained to Seattle with a B prospect. Then Seattle flips price with another 1m retained (he’s now at 7m x 7) to a team needing a goalie for like B prospect or whatever they get idk. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable situation. It’s all up to price though. If MTL is heading towards a quick 1-2 year retool (IMO they should) he might want to spend the last couple of his good years on a team competing.

Since MTL is getting out from 8m for the next 7 years, they’d have to give something up, not sure what.
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13 jan 2020 à 13 h 57
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Quoting: Howyoudrouinnn
So theoretically its possible. He could be traded to Seattle, MTL eats cap so his cap hit is only $8M, then Seattle could flip him and retain more. OF course it all depends on if he agrees to it.


Theoretically it is possible. The problem is: Price will only waive his NMC if he's traded to a contender since he wants to win the Cup. It's unlikely that Seattle will make a run like Vegas so he won't waive. And those contenders won't trade for Price because of his contract and his overall performance over the past couple of seasons
13 jan 2020 à 14 h 05
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Personally think Price could be traded right now, not for the return fans would want but hockey is still an old boys club and Price is a proven name so a GM out there would trade for him if he was made available.
13 jan 2020 à 14 h 37
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I think more importantly, why would the Habs bother letting Price be taken in the Seattle draft if we're stuck with a ton of empty cap or whatever?

Break down our GM's motives to the most basic reasons.

He costs 10.5M! - So what? Habs don't even use all of their cap space anyway so its not like because we have Price we can't get a a guy like Panarin etc instead.... We can add some more Alzners? You want 3 more Alzners?
He's no good anymore! - So what? Play Primeau instead then. Price can be the backup to Primeau once he's ready. Until then, it not like Price is stopping the Habs from being bad enough to draft good.. Habs even with Price are a lottery team soooo....
Its better to get something for him in trade! - Price is still a good player, not nearly as good as he once was but still capable of being a #1 but the contract stops any chance at a trade and if by all heavens you can make a trade, the value you are getting back isn't going to help you, now or in the medium short term anyway so why bother?. The only benefit the Habs will get by trading Price (In a realistic trade) will be in the last 2-3 years of his contract. Assuming, once again, we actually need cap space in those years to use it on someone that can help but once again see argument #1.
The Habs need to rebuild! - So rebuild! Keep Price as a mentor to Primeau and the veteran presence for the team just like Lundqvist has been in NYR rebuild. If price doesn't like it, tough. Waive your NMC then and we'll try to trade you if possible.
Habs need to go for it! - So get better defensemen and forwards then! Playoffs are all about getting hot at the right moment and Price still has the ability to get hot at any moment. The players in front of him need to be better and are as much to blame for this season as Price has been. Price can still be good with good players in front of him. He can't be good with bad players in front of him anymore like he used to be.

Every solution can still work with Price on this team. So if the any trade for Price involves us eating 50% and losing another asset, etc, why bother? Just keep and work around him.

Quoting: Subbanator7667
Personally think Price could be traded right now, not for the return fans would want but hockey is still an old boys club and Price is a proven name so a GM out there would trade for him if he was made available.


I agree, there are still GM's who would trade for him but the value has to match the risk they're taking on and any trade like that has to come when Price is not at his worst and right now he's been struggling too much. If he has decent finish to the season, is willing to waive his NMC to any team that would take him, and Habs explore trading him, it could be done. I think the most important thing for that to happen will be the Habs and Price separating on good terms. The minute it turns into a gong show like Subban/Pacioretty, I think things become almost impossible to trade him without losing the trade completely i;e retaining 50% and taking back another bad contract like Lucic etc.
13 jan 2020 à 14 h 43
#11
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so the idea is to trade Price against his wishes to a team he doesnt wanna play for


IF we trade him it will be where he wants to play and we'll just retain cap to make it worth it for others.
I just dont see him going anywhere without his wife's Business being considered into the equation .
going from MTL Fashion to Seattle is a step down and in my opinion only a team in New York can offer her opportunity greater then MTL .

Price to NYR with Lundqvist coming back to MTL in the trade .

Price at 7,5m cap
for
Lundqvist
Lemieux
and a 3rd

MTL plays Lundqvist with Lindgren until Primeau is ready to come up .
if MTL's still not a contender by the time he's going UFA we'll ask him if he wants to be moved to a contender .

NYR gets a big name Starting Goalie at a reasonable Cap to help guide their young goalie prospects in a Tandem .
Price and his wife get a fresh start in the biggest market in north america in both fashion or hockey
 
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