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Is this a fair return for Deangelo at the Deadline

Créé par: rja
Équipe: 2019-20 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 10 janv. 2020
Publié: 10 janv. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This year's first, next year's second, and a prospect. Picked Vegas because they likely have the assets to do it and a spot in the top 4 going forward. Added Holden to fill a spot on NYR roster and provide Vegas with more cap space. Elvenes or Leschyshyn, does not matter.
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NYR
  1. Elvenes, Lucas
  2. Holden, Nick
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (VGK)
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2681 500 000 $82 616 466 $0 $8 055 000 $-1 116 466 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
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700 000 $700 000 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
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4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
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792 500 $792 500 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
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833 333 $833 333 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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10 janv. 2020 à 12 h 3
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Imo the only way I’d trade him is if Tuch was coming back and I don’t think you guys are going to do that
10 janv. 2020 à 12 h 19
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how about idk maybe just maybe we ya know just a thought resign him
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10 janv. 2020 à 12 h 31
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No way in hell are you getting that for DeAngelo. Trouba is better and didn't get anywhere near that.
10 janv. 2020 à 12 h 36
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No way in hell are you getting that for DeAngelo. Trouba is better and didn't get anywhere near that.


Trouba is better? lol
10 janv. 2020 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: Sagecoll
Trouba is better? lol


Okay, to make a better comparison, Taylor Hall is FAR better and didn't get that return.
10 janv. 2020 à 13 h 10
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Quoting: newballcoach
Okay, to make a better comparison, Taylor Hall is FAR better and didn't get that return.


Taylor Hall is older and determined to reach free agency. If he re-signs in Arizona the return for New Jersey is pretty nice, better than this. DeAngelo is an RFA so the new team would have a lot more control over his future.
10 janv. 2020 à 13 h 24
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Okay, to make a better comparison, Taylor Hall is FAR better and didn't get that return.


This is a worse comparison. Hall is an older player as a rental, Tony is sig younger and still under team control for multiple years.
10 janv. 2020 à 13 h 24
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Quoting: newballcoach
No way in hell are you getting that for DeAngelo. Trouba is better and didn't get anywhere near that.


Debatable if Trouba is THAT much better. Besides it for years of control. Trouba was just one year away from being a UFA.....Hall half a year. DeAngelo believe 3.5 years. DeAngelo gets far more in a trade, though the Rangers have no reason to trade hi,
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10 janv. 2020 à 14 h 34
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Okay, to make a better comparison, Taylor Hall is FAR better and didn't get that return.


So Taylor Hall is a UFA.

What you're trying to say then is that 40 games of Taylor Hall is more valuable than say 6 years of Tony Deangelo. Again....a laughable statement.
10 janv. 2020 à 14 h 56
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Quoting: newballcoach
No way in hell are you getting that for DeAngelo. Trouba is better and didn't get anywhere near that.


WPG had absolutely no leverage and Trouba would have walked into UFA the following offseason (this coming offseason). Different circumstances yield different returns.
10 janv. 2020 à 15 h 9
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Quoting: jasonliq
how about idk maybe just maybe we ya know just a thought resign him


Well, here's where I am coming from:
- NYR really cannot trade Trouba before his NTC kicks in. It would really hurt their image as a front office to sign a guy long-term and then move him after one season. Reputation and relationships are key in everything, and Gorton obviously wants to keep it where it is.
- NYR have almost carbon copies of Tony at the NHL level (Adam Fox is tearing it up) and in the system (Nils Lundkvist is also doing well on the Swedish league, setting records as a rookie dman). The Rangers can afford to move Deangelo at a high price, while still getting production from the other defensemen in the near future (Nils should come in a couple of seasons, when NYR are positioned to compete).
- Tied to the point above, NYR have needs at other positions. NYR still need more players who can shoot the puck, and also play defense. NYR have been one of the worst teams in the league when comparing shots allowed. Trading Deangelo frees up space to acquire those players, either through the draft or through free agency. This leads to the next point.
- NYR may not have a ton of room to afford all pending free agents and sign other players to fill needs. Deangelo should yield anywhere from 5.5-6 million dollars on a longer-termed contract; maybe around 5 on a three year contract. Let's say you decide to sign him to a deal that lets him walk into free agency three years from now: you are signing a player in the prime of his career, with limited cap space, and in which at least one of those years NYR will still likely not be a cup contender. If you sign him for longer term, the price naturally inflates, as he is foregoing more money that could be earned at 27 years old.

If we assume Fox and Lundkvist can carry the load on the right side with Trouba in the years NYR will start to compete, the dollars that could be given to Tony could instead be allocated to team needs. Plus, Tony is performing at an incredible level (some may argue unsustainable). The return for him this season, with his RFA rights still intact, could be extraordinarily high. Signing him this offseason, then only looking to trade him, may decrease his return in the future.

I know this is a novel, but these are all my thoughts. I totally understand re-signing him, and I think the could manage to keep him (after moving some things around), but this is just an alternative.
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10 janv. 2020 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: palhal
Debatable if Trouba is THAT much better. Besides it for years of control. Trouba was just one year away from being a UFA.....Hall half a year. DeAngelo believe 3.5 years. DeAngelo gets far more in a trade, though the Rangers have no reason to trade hi,


I think the debate above is irrelevant. The others have pointed out the team's leverage in the Deangelo contract, as opposed to Hall's. There is also a premium for a right handed puck moving defenseman; there are not a ton of them out there. Your own team may lose their own right handed pmd next offseason, because he may price you out of the market. There is a need for a guy like Tony, which inflates his value. But the other guys above pointed out why Tony could yield more.
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10 janv. 2020 à 15 h 48
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I think that you've analyzed the situations very well. Having traded away three first-round picks in their first three years (Suzuki, Brannstrom, the first in the Tatar trade), Las Vegas might prefer to trade Tuch instead of that 2020 first, but this is about right. From the Golden Knights side, I'd rather give you Leschyshyn.
 
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