I would prefer to not trade Murphy, but yes depending on what else is included.

What do you think a hypothetical deal would look like?

Not at all, it's pretty accurate.

See it all the time on here, it's either greed or fans seriously overvalue the junk they send along in trades, probably a bit of both really.

Would you trade a former 1st round pick for Greenway and a 4th? No you wouldn't.

Real solid trade frameworks here Trickster, well done. Comments have been fun, very Canadian of you to apologize so sincerely when you mixed up the Nylander brothers there!
At the same time, you are undervaluing Murphy and retained salary pretty badly. Remember that he is a top 4 RHD, currently playing more than 21 minutes a night. And for some reason the Hawks are gonna give two NHL players for one in this deal?



Da Bus I would prefer to lose Kapanen instead of Johnsson, and Ceci would need to be dispatched if bringing in Murphy, so your deal seems pretty close. If the Hawks were to retain 850-1M, I'd say the 2021 1st would be

It doesn't matter where a player is drafted and by all accounts, it's looking more and more like Nylander will be a bust based on where he was drafted. Don't act like he's lighting the world on fire or anything the only reason he won't be traded is because Bowman won't admit his mistake this soon. I was under the impression you had alot more respect for Trickster than what you showed and you really should. Perhaps it is a bot of both but I can say for a fact that that's not the case with trickster. These are supposed to be for fun and to start a healthy discussion yet far too often it turns into slander as you have shown here.

I think fans on both side of this debate are undervaluing both Kapanen and Murphy, swapping them for each other is fair for both teams, who needs to add and what the add(s) is is the question.

I think the value that Kapanen's RFA after this deal ends makes him the more valuable piece but not by much, perhaps a pick swap would be best, like Kapanen and a 6th for Murphy and a 3rd maybe?

Idk, maybe I'm way the f@ck off in my thinking.. Lol

I would admit that I do not know what A.Nylanvder value is but Lias Andersson I do.

Rangers got out right shutdown by teams when try to explore trading him

Yes he was high draft pick but he is has had negative attitude for a while, not isolated incident.
Yes he is throw in the Rangers trade.

Yes cause I'm slandering Trickster.. Lol
No I'm just speaking bluntly, extras are just considered throw ins by many when they're not.
Yeah no doubt that was a dumb move by Bowman but does that mean he should just throw away a young player for stuff?? He'd just be making a bad trade way worse.
I see it all the time on here, the foundation of a good trade and then the extras added are just too much or too valuable and 90% of the time it's going to the fan of said team making the trade to fill that teams need.
I see it as greed but you can call it whatever you want.

I want to preface this with saying I think Kap for Murphy would be fair value 1-1 IF the Blackhawks were looking to move on from Murphy (they aren’t). I think you could possibly throw in another forward prospect or a pick that upgrades based on Toronto’s success. I could do a post about it later, we will see.

How about swap him for Caggiula.

We don’t want to trade Murphy, nor do we want to retain on him. Johnsson is an okay forward, but we would prefer Kap+ for Murphy alone.

Thoughts on swapping A.Nylander for Caggiula??

Yeah that's something like what I was thinking, maybe not greed, but irrelevant additions to those trades. The Leafs just don't need Nylander or Andersson to add to their crazy depth, once other guys get healthy. They have both been unfortunate busts so far in their young careers also, not performing close to as well as Engvall this year even. TML has got skilled wingers to spare, doing fine right now with Mikheyev, Johnsson, and Moore all out.


I would jump on this deal if the Hawks retained the 850, but it seems they are squeezed against the cap with Debrincat getting paid starting next year. How about a 2020 6th and 2021 2nd? That might be fair.

1 for 1 seems a light to me but you add from one side, have to add from the other. Gets complicated.


Perhaps just bite the bullet and do it 1 for 1 in the end.

I do think people on here put too much emphasis on where a player is drafted (order wise) and on the opposite end of this discussion a guy like Kapanen who was a regressing player in Pittsburgh turns it around in Toronto and is definitely a top 6 player.

@Sign_em_up000000 makes a good point about a GM not wanting to admit his mistake in trading for A. Nylander because Joker is looking better everyday.

I don't know how much of the Kapanen/Johnsson discussions as top 6 forwards is just Leafs hate seeping in vs a true evaluation of these guys being top 6 players in an NHL lineup.

Andersson is kind been black listed, look into it if you believe me.

You also have the value wrong too, it's more like Rasanen+ for Andersson.



I admitted to being wrong A.Nylander's value already.

Perhaps slander was a little harsh in this instance but I was trying to make a point and I think you understood that. "Throw away a young player for stuff" last time I checked Greenway is a young player too and they would get another one with that pick. Also, how can you determine that trading him away would make that trade look worse without knowing what the actual return would be? I get your point and I think you get mine (or at least I hope you do). Yes far too often people overvalue players on here but if you were a leafs fan you'd understand the constant crap we have to deal with on here is. Last year we couldn't give Nylander away and every player on the leafs besides AM and JT are a buy product of those two case in point Johnsson, it gets very annoying. The point is just because someone does an ACGM doesn't mean the ACTUAL GMs are making this trade so why do you care so much if the value is accurate in your opinion and on that note what makes you think your opinion is superior to others on here? Like I said the whole point of this site is to have fun and start a healthy discussion yet we rarely see that on here (maybe we should all try to be better).

Sounds fair to me. What about Kapanen, Bracco or a pick and Ceci 50% retained for Murphy? Would you rather have Bracco or a conditional 3rd let's say based on playoff success?

Y'all gotta stop thinking teams will do us a favour and take Ceci's 4.5M AND give up pick...

If we go the pick route & are taking Ceci…then start it at a third and upgrade it to a second if they win X rounds (1 or 2)

That's what I was thinking! Lol

I guess CHI didn't know about this premium when they traded Jokiharju for Nylander ???