I would Target Dumba on Minnesota. Nylander, Lilegren and a pick

Are you offering Dumba for Nylander, Lilegren and a Pick?
Just for conversation sake, I know Dumba is good, but should we be looking for a different style of d man? I think he is similar style to Rielly and Barrie and Sandin and Dermott, smooth skater, good puck mover. Should we be looking for someone who maybe compliments Reilly more? He seemed to play much better with Hainsey who stayed "at home" more.
Just a thought?

Although I don't mind trading Nylander and his cap, I doubt if any of those players mentioned can fill the role as well next Matthews. And if think Bracco is a candidate
Likely similar cap would have to come back in a trade. Can't see any trade happening till late summer when teams have their RFAs signed and the cap can be figured.

Nope, if anything 1 for 1. Nylander is not being traded though.

literally why... I hate fans like this. With Nylanders production and his stats why would we trade him over players like Kap and Johnsson. Also did you see kap with matthews last year? Horrible. He cant play with skilled players. He is a good 3rd line Rw at best who can PK.

That makes sense from a practical stand point. Honestly I try to watch as many games as possible, I got to see last nights game in person and although Nylander is ultra skilled he seems to be everything wrong with the leafs. He doesn't finish his checks and we need someone next to Mathews who has some grit. I think his line misses Johnsson more than we think.

The summer before last, when Nylander was holding out, I suggested Andre Burakovsky or John Carlson, either one straight up. Leafs fans showed up by the dozens to explain why the Caps had to add a 1st round pick to either. I'm glad that didn't happen.

Maybe Oshie, Lewington, and a 3rd. Oshie's got more goals than Nylander this year, and they're tied on assists. Lewington is tough, mean, and can cover back for Rielly. Adding two tough players helps the Leafs stay in a series against Boston. Nylander should stay good longer than Oshie, because of age, but that's not getting Toronto out of the first round.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, but you have to trade quality to get quality. I would love to see Mikheyev and Mathews together, with AJ. Would Pulock from NYI be available?

I could see the Wild offering Spurgeon (since Soucy has emerged as a 2nd pairing quality player) along with say Donato, but I think Dubas would want Dumba. Spurgeon will likely age well but 7.5 more years... Eh. I don't really see why the Leafs move Nylander in general. Sure they need a RD but the free agent market is very ripe this offseason and the Leafs will have cap after shedding Ceci and Barrie.

Nope, just all the nopes. Why on earth would the Leafs move a 23 year old for a guy with a tonne of term who is already over 30. NOPE.

How about you just stop trading Nylander. What is wrong with the Leafs isn't Nylander, it was Babcock and a bad backup. They are on a 50 win pace with Andersen in the net and have 1 point in the 7 games a backup is in net. If they had only won 3 of those 7 that would put TO in 2nd in their division. "He doesn't finish checks" Who cares, he creates offensive chances at an elite pace and is a possession monster. He doesn't have many give aways and has been much more engaged defensively since Keefe got there. Everyone seems to want him to be Pasternak and if he doesn't sit near the top of the league in scoring then he's crap. He isn't and this is just stupid already.

The internal replacements mentioned above barely have as many points as Nylander combined so are they really a suitable replacement? No, they aren't which is why you don't trade Nylander.

Ridiculous. Burma is playing well.. for now. Carlson contract is too long for an older player. That is why both deals were shot down.

Autocorrect FTW. Now we are comparing Bill Nye with French Indo-China.

Usually when you call someone out in public on something they were so wrong about, they ignore it. Ah well.

oshie is good, but he wont be good for much longer. he's 32 and has a contract that takes him to 37. That's a hard pass in a trade for nylander.

Check last year's league-wide points/60, though. Lewington could be worth it.

Haven’t seen lewington. Nobody really has accept som Caps fans with only 8 games. 25, 2013 7th round. I can’t see the value there but like I said I have never seen him play.

So wrong about? Would rather have Willy than either player mentioned. But yes Apparently Burma has a team and they are playing well.

I mean, he led the NHL in points/60 last year. He puts up a ton of hits, and he plays with a lot of energy. I don't actually see a fit for a Nylander to WSH trade right now, but it's fun to try to brainstorm, because Nylander's a really talented hockey player, and his dad was a good player for the Caps, two different times. Can you think of anyone the Leafs would want, short of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Wilson, or Vrana?

Carlson has 45 even strength points right now. Matthews has 34. https://www.nhl.com/player/alex-galchenyuk-8476851

Nylander, whom you explained would be better than either, because of his two sixty point seasons and his age, has 23. Since the holdout, he's got one more point than Burakovsky, but not as many as Carlson or Matthews. I would have been fine with a one for one at the time. You and Logan thought I was crazy because I wouldn't say the Caps should add a 1st round draft pick.

Carlson fits the build of your team. Not the leafs. He would be a great player to have but he will start to decline halfway through his extension.

Burakovsky was traded for late 2nd and 3rd. Far less value than nylander because he was struggling. I’m sure if he was struggling this year you wouldn’t be here posting as smug. Hindsight is not a super power. Everyone has it.

I don’t know what is so hard to understand. Also the leafs aren’t trading nylander.

I hope this is sarcasm.

He played 2 games last year, so maybe consider sample size and Lewington's AHL track record. He's not worth it. He hasnt even scored more than 20 points in any season since the WHL. He's a 25 year old AHLer, that can be called up to play 4th line minutes, nothing more.

I hope that guy is trolling with his Lewington talk. He's bringing up P/60 for a guy that played 2 games, sweet sample size.

Lewington is a 25 year old AHLer, that can barely score in the AHL.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=145167

Oh, you haven't even seen him play, and you want to move him to forward? Interesting. Might work... Lewington's one of the toughest defenders in the AHL and you can't have him.

How about Nylander for Oshie, 2nd, Djoos? I think that gets Tor a little bit of cap breathing room, turning Nylander's 7M hit into two players off a recent championship squad. Djoos played all but the first game of the 2018 playoffs for Washington at 3RD. On most teams that would give him an audition at 2RD, but Washington traded for Jensen and Gudas to fix their PK and get a little bit tougher. You asked for a controllable 2RD, and after playing half a year in the AHL, I think Djoos would have to jump at an offer around 2x1.5M, or 3x2M. He started last year with a broken leg, came back too early, but towards the end he got seven points in 15 games, playing third pair with Siegenthaler. To me that says top four puck mover, and maybe 2nd power play point.

First thing you have to learn is small sample sizes mean **** all. Regardless of any player you want to look at, 2 game or 15 game, sample sizes are simply not good enough, especially if you're basing it on point production.

this issue was you tossing around lewington's P/60 in a 2 game sample size, on a player that is clearly a fringe NHLer at the age of 25. Djoos is a 3rd pairing D as well. Cherry picking some 15 game sample size to say "that's a 2nd pair RD" is insane.

Oshie as the centrepiece of the deal does not work. He's 32 years old, on the wrong side of the aging curve and his contract takes him to 37 years old.

It's highly doubtful the leafs will trade nylander, but if they do it would look something like the Jones - Johanssen trade. Similar age, similar pedigree, not a bunch of crap thrown on to an declining asset like Oshie.


We can disagree on the oshie vs nylander thing, but please do not base any future narratives you ever make off 2 game sample sizes. You can find some random obscure player that probably looks like Gretzky on a 2 game sample size.

Sorry for getting distracted. This is a Nylander auction. In an auction, you don't haggle, you just wait and see who outbids who.

TJ Oshie is a good return for Nylander because he replaces Kadri in front of the net on the Leafs' power play. He's tough, he digs pucks out of corners, and he's on pace to tie his career high of 33 goals this year.
He's 1.25M cheaper than Nylander. He kills penalties and finishes his checks. Will he get older? Yes. Will Nylander keep up his current 26 goal pace this season? Nah, he's already slowing down. With three goals in his last fifteen games, Nylander is playing like... well... how would the Stars' owner put it? Yeah, it's a small sample size, but it's why Leafs fans are starting this conversation.

The Leafs also want a tough defenseman, a backup goalie, and cap space. Washington could probably add Copley, and a 4th round pick to help send Ceci to Detroit. What defenseman do the Leafs want with that?