Nawh, without Drouin we would be in a dire need of a top 6 winger. Sergechev wouldn't fit here anyways, He's heavily sheltered in Tampa and Montreal simply couldn't hide him in their system.

So you guys just justify everything to make your self feel better. Okay well this is going to go nowhere.

Good luck with Weber, may he never decline.

What are you on about?

What am I saying that would make myself feel better?

Some people man....

I lied, one more thing.

Cap floor teams are going to want to take on Weber's deal. Which cap floor teams? Because there are maybe 6 teams that could currently fit his contract. There are even more teams that are over the cap but are utilizing LTIR to gain enough space. (TO being chief among them) Columbus, has space, but why would they want Weber? They have other players that'll need contracts down the line and won't want to have to worry about having an 40 year old Weber who doesn't want to retire. (That absolutely could happen)

Ottawa? Well they also have Bobby Ryan who is a cap anchor, they're also going to be wanting space in the next 3-4 years to pay for young guys who'll become their new core. Taking on 8 million for the next 6 years doesn't make sense to them. Who else? Arizona? They are against the cap. What about teams heading into rebuilds? LA? They have cap issues and a plethora of high priced vets that they'd want to move out not move another one in.

Its easy to say nonsense on here. Its harder to do the work into finding out if that is nonsense.

So do us all a favour and look at the cap situations of the teams you want to trade someone to. Then think about all the variables that come into play year over year, then try to understand when there are moments a team would be considering making a big move and then after all of that, realize that Weber is in fact incredibly hard to move now and its only going to get harder. Same with Price. You have 2 high priced aging vets who have more term than most players in the NHL. Regardless of how well they may be doing, the chances of them declining far outweigh the chances that they'll keep it up. That risk is way too great and it increases year over year. In 3 years Montreal is going to be offering Suzuki for anyone who is willing to take on Weber. That probably won't happen, but its more likely than Dubas wanting to handcuff himself by having a declining asset with an 8 million dollar cap hit.

Every trade Bergevin has made has been a slam dunk win for Montreal. Weber's contract is easy to move and everyone that plays for Montreal is better than everyone else.

Must be nice to live in fantasy land.

Here is the thing. Montreal's situation should be terrifying. Your best 2 players are both older and have huge contracts with term. Neither will be easier to move the longer you wait to move them. In fact, the risk that they become albatross contracts grows every year. The team isn't good enough to contend now and with the issues on the blueline and the fact that your all world goalie isn't all world anymore and is getting long in the tooth, the next few seasons are going to be trying. But its easy so sit on your computer chair and say Weber is easy to trade. Its about as factual as me saying, Matthews is worth more than McDavid and Draisaitl combined. He isn't, that was stupid and I would never say anything like that. Which is what the takeaway should be in regards to all Weber trade ideas to TO, its short sighted and ridiculous.

1.48 points per game X 68 games is a 100 point player. funny how you cant do basic math. and pens could absolutely resign hall in the offseason but you dont have the slightest clue of the pens cap structure.

his best year in the NHL was his 30 goal season. that season he played centre. im sure he wasn't great defensively that year either but at least he had offensive success. the next season habs had danault who played significant centre time, and Galchenyuk was shifted to the wing. And of course his play dropped. I will admit there's probably more reasons than just coaching that lead to Galchenyuk's demise. Im sure his attitude played an effect, but poor coaching/player usage effected his development as well. there's multiple factors.

I love how you put words in my mouth to make your narrative sound better.

Bergevin has won a majority of his trades, no they all haven't been home runs, but he's still won a majority of them. Not sure where I said it was easy to move Weber's contract, but he's one of the best leaders in the league and the way he is playing right now, he should be in the running for the Norris. I don't agree that everyone playing in Montreal is better, but that doesn't mean we sell low on everybody. Take off that bias hat and see what we have.

I completely agree with you, this team isn't going to compete and we will be in the mid tier for the foreseeable future, but Montreal does have one of the better prospect cores in the league. Toronto wants to win a cup and the truth is, they aren't built to win the cup. They are a regular season team (If you can even call them that, because they suck in the regular season too), they need a tough rigid defensemen like Weber who is able to mentor these guys as well as lead them to a cup.

please do not compare Tatar to Taylor Hall... my god some habs fans are clueless

that is completely untrue. they are only on the hook IF he retires before his contract is finished. if he decides to have a Chara-Esque career and play till hes 40, he'll be close to an 8 million paperweight. Any team that acquires weber is banking that he:
1- retires early
2- sustains a career ending injury

I can and I will.

Hall has a been a shell of himself since his MVP season. Hall is overrated and Tatar is underrated. It is what it is.

there is no anti-habs. there's just a large percentage of your fan base that is incredibly bias. case and point: this armchair team

In 5 years, I think 7.8 Million will be a high paid number for a top 4 defensemen. It's not like he's making 10 Million until he's 40. Even then, once he is 38, his salary is 1 Million so it's very tradable to a team that wants to get to the cap floor.

Alright. I don't think the value is far whatsoever in that trade, but don't try and tell me Weber isn't a valuable player, with or without that contract.

im done arguing with stupidity. they are not even in the same conversation.

Okay. Please tell me why they aren't. Thanks

Oh and now onto the the "This team isn't built to succeed" rhetoric. This would make sense if the team had been on top of the league for years and just can't get over the hump. They are still the 3rd youngest team in the league. Younger than Montreal in fact and they have lots of lessons to learn. Doesn't mean they aren't constructed right, its way too early to suggest that. They have over the last 4 years went from being the worst team in the league, to making the playoffs in year 1 of Matthews career and losing to the president trophy winners in 6 games which were all 1 goal games, to losing to the 3rd best team in the NHL in round one before taking the eventual cup runners up to 7 games. I just love how Troll Nation likes to throw this whole, they aren't built for the playoff crap like they've been a dominant regular season team that just folds in the playoffs. That completely ignores the strength of competition they've faced. Boston isn't some bubble team that hit TO into submission. They are one of the best teams in the NHL and TO should have won last year but their coach was too stubborn to change his thinking. TO is a good team, they are much improved under Keefe and if this is just scratching the surface, then buckle up.

Doesn't equate to Nylander + two 1sts even if what you say is true.

Taylor Hall last 3 seasons: 155 points in 138 games
Tomas Tatar Last 3 Seasons: 117 points in 192 Games.

Sure hall is off to a slow start this year, but his team sucks. once hes traded he'll return to over a PPG.

The team can barely get into the playoffs are are already at the cap ceiling. It's just going to get worse when you have to pay a Reilly + Andersen. You have no defensive core past this year and almost all of them are going to get more than what they are currently making. You have almost no upcoming future and no 1st round pick in this years deep draft. This team has absolutely no toughness which has been proven time and time again that it's needed in the playoffs.

Not sure what it has to do with losing to tough teams. This team is definitely in win now mode and if they want to make it far in the playoffs, they have to beat tough teams.

Yes I don't think Tatar is better, but Hall is going to want over 10 Million until he is 36 and Tatar is making 4.8 Million for another 2 years.

Don't include his MVP Season,

Taylor Hall
62 Points in 62 Games

Tomas Tatar
83 Points in 110 Games.

Then you factor in what they are making and will be making, and it really closes up

Next year's defensive core.

Rielly, Dermot, Sandin, Liljegren and Holl. That is a young defence but one that will be very good and very cheap. They'll probably add one more defenceman, preferably a RHD but one that fits the teams payroll which you mention above as being tight. So can you now tell me why it makes sense for them to add an 8 million dollar player that will be declining any day now?

Okay I haven't been reading this other thread going on but I need to. Are you guys now seriously debating Tatar as being near Hall's level of value? Wow.

I should have jumped into this conversation. Who cares about Weber to TO, these guys actually think Tatar is worth as much as Hall? Next he'll be saying Domi is as good as McDavid.