id say 1.5 PPG is pretty damn good. he also scored arguably the CHL goal of the year. hes got legit talent. Pens aren't trading him + a first unless its for a guy like Hall
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exactly why its a bad contract

1. You trying to win a Cup or not? BOTH these players fill Leafs needs for this year and next.
2. Weber is still playing great, despite your obvious bias against players on rival teams.
3. Nashville is on the hook for early retirement penalties.

I get it, you are biased against Habs players. No point in arguing further if you think Weber is a bad player to add on your team. The fact you

Ahhhh yes, Therrien is at fault, 1 coaching change and 2 teams later (soon to be 3) and many chances to prove he is a center and failed because he can't find his own end. But yeah, Therrien is to blame. Sorry I didn't see this before...

Well you're wrong on a few points there 1: he has always been slow speed has never been his game and he is on pace for a career year so dont know where you see him getting significantly worst. The contract numbers are correct but mistake 2: thinking his cap hit is a negative, cap floor will rise, budget teams who want to pay a low salary but meet the floor will want his contract so you can basically trade it at any time and 3: if he does retire early you have a huge bargaining chip to hold over Nashville and demand a prime asset for them to get him back. Basically if you know the system and use it correctly his contract actually carries its value until the end. But until then you probably still have 3 years left of a top 4 dman who is one of the best leaders in the game. So no real negatives in it unless you're a sideline fan who just thinks anyone over 30 at a high cap hit is useless.

You clearly don't understand Cap Recapture Penalties and how Nashville will have to pay up for that.

Also, you clearly don't understand how there are teams that see $8M on the cap, but only $1M in salary would make their owners very happy.

Also, you clearly don't watch or follow Weber if you think he is slowing down. And you don't understand his game if you think he relies on his speed at all.

Most of your negatives are positives to anyone open minded enough to look into it more than just regurgitating that same old "34? he is old and slow!"

do you understand how crucial development is in a players early 20s? Galchenyuk proved he could be a good C after 30 goals, but Therrian moved him around so much due to his defensive issues. (which I agree is his biggest fault) This lack of consistency was a huge downfall. then two trades within 2 seasons hurt his confidence even more

So a highlight goal makes you an A prospect? It's the Q bud, if a guy cant put up over 100 points in that league then I dont know how you consider him a top tier talent. Hall is also a pure rental, you would be getting a 50 point winger for 2 years and a 2 million dollar cap hit, opposed to 2 months of a player you cant resign so they arent comparables.

So, Therrien tried to move a center that is crap in his own end to the wing and you saw this as poor development? He put him in a position to succeed, because he no longer had defensive responsibilities, and he couldn't handle it. Its his attitude, not his offensive skill that is the problem. CHL centers (he played LW the majority of is OHL career) become wingers in the NHL all the time. Montreal didn't ruin him, his Dad and his attitude ruined him. Neither Arizona or Pittsburgh were able to get him to rebound, its astonishing that you think this is Montreal's fault...

I like the Habs, not always fond of their fan base on here but I like the team. What I do not like is Weber's contract and his age. He is not playing all that well, Montreal has had problems with their defence this year mainly because they are 1) rather slow and 2) they lack much in the way of puck movers of which Weber is not one anymore. He's a special teams specialist, but thats about it and its going to become more and more apparent as we move forward.

Do I want the Leafs to win the cup? Yes but Weber doesn't help that, and his contract only hurts the team moving forward. This isn't a bias against rivals situation, this is a bias against stupid ideas that are completely self serving for the team making the offer. You get younger, fast and better and move an anchor contract. If you didn't feel that way you wouldn't move Weber.

Cool story. So TO isn't a budget team trying to reach the cap floor. They are a team that had a rough start but are showing what they are capable of now that they have a coach who's ego was bigger than the team. They have a budgetary play that goes well beyond right now and adding a deadend contract like Weber's is nonsense and stupid. If you guys want to move Weber, which you should, send him somewhere that is rebuilding because no GM who has any sense is going to pick up a 34 year old who is under contract for another 6 years after this one.

Ok, thanks for your opinion.

You are wrong about my motives, but that's solely based on your opinion that Shea Weber is bad and his contract is bad. Which if you can't read stats or watch games objectively, I doubt I have any chance to sway your opinion. Have a good day.

You are missing the point... Weber is great right now, and fits under your cap for the next 2 years (along with Danault). After two years when his contract starts to dive in salary the Leafs could send him packing for a great young package that would keep their Cup window open. Leafs would not have Weber for 7 years...

I understand all of that, if Weber retires, Nashville will pay the majority of the cap recapture penalty with a little going to the team that holds the player when he retires. (See Luongo)

Weber's cap hit is going to be nearly 8 million for as long as he is not retired or LTIR, that means exactly that. If he doesn't retire, the team holding his rights has 8 million on their cap, in this scenario that team is TO who already is close to the cap and in no way would ever want to have 8 million in dead cap space while paying a guy only 1 million. That doesn't make any sense.

The fact is, Weber is a complete non starter for any team that is contending. His contract isn't good and the only benefits you speak of work for only teams that know they are rebuilding and can take on his contract for assets. If you had bothered to look into TO's cap situation, you'd see that they have a few important contracts down the road. Andersen the year after next and Rielly the year after, dealing with that will be difficult but if they also had an 8 million dollar anchor on their blue line, they'd be kissing Rielly and or Andersen goodbye. So again, tell me how this makes any sense for the Leafs? I'll save you the trouble, it doesn't and never will and this is just silly.

In this trade, Ceci and Kerfoot basically make Webers contract, that's a major upgrade on that money so saying that it wouldn't fit in this scenario is also wrong. And your point after that is the same basic idiotic thinking about his contract that Leafs fans typically have, also the one that I just debated with facts showing how that thinking was wrong. If you want to argue that Prices contract will be a mistake, ya you have something, but Webers can literally be moved at any time and holds top tier value until his decline starts, which it hasnt (please reference his stats in whatever fantasy hockey league you're at the bottom of). Toronto would jump to the top of the contenders list, and would actually be able to beat Boston and Tampa out of the Atlantic with a serious advantage over every other team.

8 million for 6 more seasons after this one for a 34 year old. That is all that matters to a team that is currently the 3rd youngest and just entering their window of contention. The trade doesn't make sense and it isn't opinion, its math and the ability to look beyond the right now.

You're joking right? Not even worth a first lmao

A 28 YO winger that makes 4.8 for the next 2 years. 25 Points in 30 games.

A 28 YO that is going to want 10+ next year until he is 36. 25 points in 29 games.

Ceci is FA after this year, he's a stop gap, and replacing a bad stop gap with a better player who's contract has 6 more years of 8 million dollar cap hit that also creates a whole at 3C that will need to be replaced makes zero sense. On top of that there is 6 MORE YEARS of 8 million cap hit. What are you even arguing about here? No the answers is no, TO has no interest in bringing in a high priced old player that will not live up to his contract and will cost premium assets to move him out so they can afford to keep younger better players. (See Patrick Marleau literally 6 months ago.)

Yes Habs coached rotted him, then Coyotes coach rotted him, now Pens coached rotted him

Then keep him, cause no sane GM is paying these ridiculous prices. Well Bergevin might.

Do you not watch him play? Late in the season he's slowed down after playing close to 30 minutes all season. Last year Montreal Montreal managed his time and he barely even slowed down. This year he's joining the rush and playing behind the opposing goalies net. He's done the opposite of slow down.

Actually this is false, Nashville is on the hook for his contract, regardless of who he retires with.

I laugh how you say Bergevin might pay a ridiculous price when the reality is, He's won almost 100% of the trades he makes. I think you should correct it to Dubas Might*

So in 2 years when he starts declining the Leafs move him for a great young package. Nope wouldn't happen, you won't get a great young package for him now, because his contract is a bag of crap. I understand what you are trying to do here. Get rid of him before his contract really starts looking bad and then let someone else take on that risk. It absolutely should be something you do, along with trading Price before its too late, but the Leafs are not the team to target. You'd be better off trying to make a trade with Pittsburgh, or LA, or Chicago or some other aging team that thinks they can use him for one last kick at the can before fading off into the twilight. Picking the 3rd youngest team in the league with a strict payroll structure that needs to remain flexible for the future contracts of Rielly, and Andersen is about the worst target you can pick.

I actually retained $2.4M of Tatar for this year and next... Otherwise bang on...