Who won the TML AVS trade

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Créé par: TopLineTom43

Équipe: 2019-20 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 30 oct. 2019

Publié: 30 oct. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

It’s one month in

Avs side

Kadri 7 points in 11 games. He’s filled they biggest hole the avs had from last year (2c). Avs look dangerous. They lost Barrie but seem to be Strong defensively. Top 5 in GA and goal Diff. They currently lead the central division with 17 points (8-2-1)

Leafs
Look to be off to an average start. Average doesn’t quite cut it when the expectation are cup or bust. Kerfoot looks to be a solid productive 3c with 7 points in 12 games. Barrie has added 5 points but doesn’t appear to be as defensively responsible as the leafs had hoped. Leafs currently sit 3rd in the ATL division with 15 points (6-5-3)

I looked back when this trade first happened and notice that a lot of people had this as a major win for the leafs. Has anyone’s opinion changed or too early to tell?

(I wrote this on my phone sorry for grammar/misspellings. I know their are some grammar nuts on here and that grammatical errors are very annoying. Sorry. )

Rachats de contrats

Brooks Orpik: 1 500 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Tyson Barrie: 2 750 000 $ (50%)

Enfoui

Kevin Connauton: 300 000 $ (1 375 000 $)

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	73 959 761 $	0 $	3 532 500 $	7 540 239 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 5 571 429 $5 571 429 $ AG, C M-NTC UFA - 2	MacKinnon, Nathan 6 300 000 $6 300 000 $ C UFA - 4	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C UFA - 6
Burakovsky, André 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Donskoi, Joonas 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ AD UFA - 4
Calvert, Matt 2 850 000 $2 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Jost, Tyson 885 833 $885 833 $ (850 000 $$850K) C UFA - 1	Compher, J.T. 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 4
Nichushkin, Valeri 850 000 $850 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Wilson, Colin 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Megna, Jayson 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1
Nieto, Matt 1 975 000 $1 975 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kamenev, Vladislav 750 000 $750 000 $ C RFA - 1
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Cole, Ian 3 450 000 $3 450 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Johnson, Erik 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Grubauer, Philipp 3 333 333 $3 333 333 $ G UFA - 2
Girard, Samuel 728 333 $728 333 $ (182 500 $$182K) DG/DD UFA - 1	Makar, Cale 880 833 $880 833 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) DD UFA - 2	Francouz, Pavel 950 000 $950 000 $ G UFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Barberio, Mark 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Graves, Ryan 735 000 $735 000 $ DG UFA - 1

30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 33

Trickster

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Too early to tell.

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 38

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both, avs and leafs got what they wanted

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 42

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As an outsider, I'd say that it's way too early to declare a winner or loser in this trade.

Barrie goes to a team that has a completely different scheme on defense, and will likely take 15-20 games to adjust in the first place. If you think about it, it should be super surprising that Toronto have struggled defensively to start the season. They had a 50% turnover in their top 6D since last year. Definitely takes time to adjust.

IMO, both teams got what they needed, and if you think about it, 1 year of Barrie is probably worth the difference of Kadri to Kerfoot, especially since they've got a #1 and #2 C signed long term.

Give it some time though-Ceci, Barrie and Muzzin are all UFA's at the end of the year, and while Toronto has Sandin and Liljegren waiting in the wings, turning over their D by 40-50% again will continue to hurt.

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 43

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Quoting: coga16

both, avs and leafs got what they wanted

I agree completely. I think this trade was a win win. I just was curious if people still thought it was a land slide win for the leafs still.

30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 43

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Quoting: coga16

both, avs and leafs got what they wanted

Player wise on paper Toronto wins this but a detailed look, its definitely the Avalanche. The Leafs have Barrie and Muzzin as UFAs at the end of the year and Barrie wants 8 mill. Kerfoot to me is an ok 3rd liner

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 45

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Quoting: Lenny7

Rosen is extra depth on d and the 3rd helps Avs offset the trade for burakovsky (2nd and a 3rd)

All balances out in the wash

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 46

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Quoting: coga16

Rosen is extra depth on d and the 3rd helps Avs offset the trade for burakovsky (2nd and a 3rd)

All balances out in the wash

Yup. And Bura probably helps more than Kerfoot would have.

Maaaan I wish my beloved Ducklings had someone like Makar

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 46

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Quoting: csick

Having kadri signed 3 seasons at 4.5m as a 2c holds so much value in avs long term planning in the mack contract window.

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 47

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Quoting: Lenny7

Great points. Hopefully kadri plays more than 2 playoffs games. But win win. It’s still early maybe I should have waited till trade deadline for this post haha.

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 48

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Quoting: Lenny7

Yup. And Bura probably helps more than Kerfoot would have.

Maaaan I wish my beloved Ducklings had someone like Makar

Yup bura is a shooter. Kerfoot is the opposite who probably over passes avoiding taking the shot.

Bura is just a better fit

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30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 51

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Quoting: coga16

Rosen is extra depth on d and the 3rd helps Avs offset the trade for burakovsky (2nd and a 3rd)

All balances out in the wash

As a caps fan how do you guys like Burakovsky? He was so inconsistent with us it was just frustrating. He looks like he’s producing with you guys. I only see stat sheets but that hardly tells the entire story

30 oct. 2019 à 13 h 57

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Quoting: TopLineTom43

He’s been good, you can see the high skill flash out. Rarely has he been having a off nights that you don’t notice him at all

30 oct. 2019 à 14 h 1

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Quoting: coga16

He’s been good, you can see the high skill flash out. Rarely has he been having a off nights that you don’t notice him at all

That’s good. He’s a guy that needs to play in the top 6 and the capitals weren’t willing to bump Vrana down. That being said I like that value we got for him.

30 oct. 2019 à 14 h 4

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Quoting: TopLineTom43

That’s good. He’s a guy that needs to play in the top 6 and the capitals weren’t willing to bump Vrana down. That being said I like that value we got for him.

I’m not thrilled about the value but he’s been good and if he keeps it up then it’s totally fair and worth it . He’s a top 6 player talent wise but can he do it consistently for the next 70 games? That’s the hope

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30 oct. 2019 à 14 h 16

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Quoting: coga16

That would be cool. Between him and grubby we have been pretty solid trade partners.

30 oct. 2019 à 15 h 8

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Seems to be a fair deal. A top six forward is less valuable than a top four defensemen but Barrie only has one year left on his deal and probably won't be with Toronto after this season. Kadri, on the other hand, will be Colorado's second line center for the next few years at least. He wasn't seeing proper ice time behind Mathews and Taveres and when Makar impressed in playoffs it was pretty clear that the Avs no longer needed Barrie.
The other parts of this trade are pretty insignificant. Sure Colorado retained some salary but the contract is only good for this year, and Kerfoot is a replaceable player, as is Rosen. Each team improved as a result of this trade, which makes it a great deal for both sides.

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30 oct. 2019 à 15 h 26

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Kerfoot and Kadri are about even. I just never saw Kadri as true 2C he's not offensive enough. Barrie seems to losing millions of dollars as a Leaf (his next contract). He's been OK which is the norm for the all the Leafs Dmen this season.
Barrie, Muzzin,Ceci all gone next season from the Leafs next season which was sorta the long term plan.

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30 oct. 2019 à 15 h 38

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Quoting: palhal

If possible would you still do the sens trade?

30 oct. 2019 à 18 h 46

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Quoting: TopLineTom43

If possible would you still do the sens trade?

Yes, and I was Zaitsev supporter. As we have seen this season having Zaitsev and Hainsey as Leafs were quite productive especially on the PK. The real purpose of the Zaitsev/Ceci trade was to get long term cap relief for the Leafs. Shame to use the productive Brown but when you overpay Nylander, Matthews and Marner by 4.5m someone has to go. Plus it forced the Leafs to go with Holl or Marincin as regulars and not have a player like Hainsey.
I might have preferred having 4.5m cap space instead of Ceci but the Leafs had to take Ceci since the Sen had already agreed verbally to give him a qualifying offer. Certainly on this site, Ceci has been the new Leafs whipping boy which has hasn't been justified.

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30 oct. 2019 à 19 h 34

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Quoting: palhal

I like Zaitsev game. Was hoping the caps would get him and he could play with orlov. wasn’t a fan of that trade. I do notice a lot of people trading Ceci and I just assumed he was playing terrible but admittedly I haven’t watched too many leaf Games. Just the 2 vs Washington

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