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Équipe: 2019-20 Avalanche du Colorado
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IF Timmins needs a full year in the AHL, the only other right hander the Avs have is Meloche who may or may not be ready for a shot at the big time and if he's given a shot and fails then the Avs D is overbalanced on the left (and this is purely that I'm partial to left hand on the left and right on the right, though I realise the Avs certainly did ok with Blake and Foote). So a few potential cover options on the right. There are others such as Schenn, Ceci, Gudas if the Caps decided to flip him, and a lot of others but these just piqued my interest.
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  1. Gudbranson, Erik
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Big body, physical presence, half decent 3rd pair shut down option. Will fight if necessary. Good for exposure in the expansion draft.
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  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
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A weird one and probably the most expensive on the list for all his faults. Is it just him, is it the team, is it the system? If he turns it around then he could end up being a bargain, if he carries on the same form then he could be very costly. Big gamble
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  1. Tanev, Christopher
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Would have to waive his M-NTC. Only a year left on his contract. Good shut down and cover option. Main weakness is that he seems to not be the most durable of D men but then maybe he and EJ could manage a full season between them. I believe he has a history of playing with Connauton so could be a good shut down pairing. Kudos to TylerStenson on spotting this one.
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  1. Bogosian, Zach
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Another guy rumoured to be on the block at the Sabres. Big veteran D with only a year left on his contract.
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23 août 2019 à 3 h 33
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If the team needs another RHD why wouldn't have they just kept Barrie?
23 août 2019 à 4 h 5
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You dont need one. You have deep D pool to choose from.
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23 août 2019 à 4 h 47
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Brodie and Jankowsi for Kadri sarcasm
23 août 2019 à 5 h 20
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Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
If the team needs another RHD why wouldn't have they just kept Barrie?


Because they wanted to get something for him and Kadri, whilst not my first choice, fits the bill for a need at #2C and there would have been the question of paying Barrie the following year. This is assuming Timmins is in the AHL, and Meloche isn't ready yet, after that there is only Alt.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 21
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You dont need one. You have deep D pool to choose from.


This is assuming Timmins is in the AHL, and Meloche isn't ready yet, after that there is only Alt. It's the premise that the Avs need a RHD for balance. The deep D pool is mostly lefties.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 23
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This is assuming Timmins is in the AHL, and Meloche isn't ready yet, after that there is only Alt. It's the premise that the Avs need a RHD for balance. The deep D pool is mostly lefties.


You can use leftie on right side without any problem. But Im sure there is gonna be a team that would trade you bottom pairing RHD for bottom pairing LHD whenever you ask.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 25
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Brodie and Jankowsi for Kadri sarcasm


They are unlikely to trade Kadri just after acquiring him. Most of the righties would be cheap options as they're pretty much only going to be third pairing and injury cover, where they wouldn't have to give up all that much to get them bar Ristolainen.
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23 août 2019 à 5 h 28
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You can use leftie on right side without any problem. But Im sure there is gonna be a team that would trade you bottom pairing RHD for bottom pairing LHD whenever you ask.


It does say above that it's purely that I prefer the right on the right (in spite of the success of Blake and Foote when they played together) and the left on the left. Tanev is my favoured option with Connauton until Cole is back. it was a good idea by TylerStenson, though I thought his asking price was a little high.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 34
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It does say above that it's purely that I prefer the right on the right (in spite of the success of Blake and Foote when they played together) and the left on the left. Tanev is my favoured option with Connauton until Cole is back. it was a good idea by TylerStenson, though I thought his asking price was a little high.


I know and I like it too, but Timmins isnt far off. Maybe half a season and he is ready?.. you dont need a big name.. if Liljegren is as successful as I think he will be, Id trade you Ceci for a pick or a guy like Barberio for bottom pairing role while Sandin is preparing. Ceci is servicable in limited role although he sucked at playing big minutes.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 46
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I know and I like it too, but Timmins isnt far off. Maybe half a season and he is ready?.. you dont need a big name.. if Liljegren is as successful as I think he will be, Id trade you Ceci for a pick or a guy like Barberio for bottom pairing role while Sandin is preparing. Ceci is servicable in limited role although he sucked at playing big minutes.


Absolutely, it's just cover really, someone you can rotate in and cover injuries. Who knows....Timmins may be ready sooner (though you'd still need RHD cover, or Meloche ready to step up, and Alt could also probably hold the fort as a 7th/8th D. A few options there already but really this was purely an idea to reinforce the right a little. Barberio is certainly the logical guy to try and move at the moment. Tanev I like the idea of with the Connauton pairing, those two filling in 5 & 6 until Cole comes back. If Timmins IS ready to come up, he can then join Cole on the third pairing, veteran to cover him, with Tanev & Connauton being able to rotate in to rest others and cover injuries if necessary (and we know EJ's record!!! though Tanev has never completed a full season, as I've said before, they might complete a full one between them!!) with a solid D talent wise and there have been rumours about the Canucks considering moving him I believe. It would also solidify a very young D.
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They are unlikely to trade Kadri just after acquiring him. Most of the righties would be cheap options as they're pretty much only going to be third pairing and injury cover, where they wouldn't have to give up all that much to get them bar Ristolainen.


It was a joke since that was the trade Kadri nixed, there was probably a mid pick involved too
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23 août 2019 à 5 h 48
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It was a joke since that was the trade Kadri nixed, there was probably a mid pick involved too


Sorry, didn't register with me, a little insomnia at the moment lol. cool
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23 août 2019 à 5 h 50
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I know and I like it too, but Timmins isnt far off. Maybe half a season and he is ready?.. you dont need a big name.. if Liljegren is as successful as I think he will be, Id trade you Ceci for a pick or a guy like Barberio for bottom pairing role while Sandin is preparing. Ceci is servicable in limited role although he sucked at playing big minutes.


Out of curiosity, if the Avs did go for Tanev, or maybe one of the others above, what would you consider the right value.....as you're a neutral, or at least should be lol.
23 août 2019 à 5 h 58
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Absolutely, it's just cover really, someone you can rotate in and cover injuries. Who knows....Timmins may be ready sooner (though you'd still need RHD cover, or Meloche ready to step up, and Alt could also probably hold the fort as a 7th/8th D. A few options there already but really this was purely an idea to reinforce the right a little. Barberio is certainly the logical guy to try and move at the moment. Tanev I like the idea of with the Connauton pairing, those two filling in 5 & 6 until Cole comes back. If Timmins IS ready to come up, he can then join Cole on the third pairing, veteran to cover him, with Tanev & Connauton being able to rotate in to rest others and cover injuries if necessary (and we know EJ's record!!! though Tanev has never completed a full season, as I've said before, they might complete a full one between them!!) with a solid D talent wise and there have been rumours about the Canucks considering moving him I believe. It would also solidify a very young D.


I think the best thing for Colorado would be to move Barberio or Connauton (Connauton sucks btw, so dont expect him to be any good) for another bottom pairing D (like Ceci) and have basically 8 player sure capital for defense. Basically if you moved Barberio for a guy like Ceci this is what you will get:

Girard-Johnson
Zadorov-Makar
Cole-Ceci/Timmins

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Out of curiosity, if the Avs did go for Tanev, or maybe one of the others above, what would you consider the right value.....as you're a neutral, or at least should be lol.


I dont think Tanev is good choice for Colorado honestly. He is more of a top-4 guy still and defensive brickwall so I see more of a fit in Toronto for him. As for value.. his value is down but he has still big value for a team in need of defensive brickwall. I would say that 2nd rounder and prospect forward of lower value would be a good price for Tanev. But again, I dont think thats good for him to be on 3rd pairing. And he would consider it because of NMC on his contract.
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Sorry, didn't register with me, a little insomnia at the moment lol. cool


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23 août 2019 à 6 h 16
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I think the best thing for Colorado would be to move Barberio or Connauton (Connauton sucks btw, so dont expect him to be any good) for another bottom pairing D (like Ceci) and have basically 8 player sure capital for defense. Basically if you moved Barberio for a guy like Ceci this is what you will get:

Girard-Johnson
Zadorov-Makar
Cole-Ceci/Timmins



I dont think Tanev is good choice for Colorado honestly. He is more of a top-4 guy still and defensive brickwall so I see more of a fit in Toronto for him. As for value.. his value is down but he has still big value for a team in need of defensive brickwall. I would say that 2nd rounder and prospect forward of lower value would be a good price for Tanev. But again, I dont think thats good for him to be on 3rd pairing. And he would consider it because of NMC on his contract.


I can see why Ceci might be a decent fit, though of course with the way Bednar juggles lines and pairings it would be no surprise to see Tanev further up if he thinks it will work. I agree he might not want it as he might see it as not a great move for himself, but the Avs are close to the competing window now, and guys like Tanev might think 'Hey! I want to be a part of that!' as well. He'd certainly help push them towards that. There are pros and cons in that but like you said, it relies on his M-NTC, but then would Colorado be in the 8 he wouldn't want to go to? I like the suggested price, it's somewhere around what TylerStenson had in his trade of Tanev, so people thinking similar values is always good. Tyler's was closer to yours. I had a 'B level' prospect and a conditional third becoming a second if he played more then 'x' number of games. Didn't want to influence you by telling you those so it's very interesting, the similarities.

The other move I like is a NYR cap dump of Namestnikov with Georgiev as compensation as a few Rangers fans have suggested they see Shesterkin as the future there. If Namestnikov really can play C as listed on here, a Russian line might work with Burakovsky and Nichushkin (or Kamenev in there).
23 août 2019 à 6 h 45
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Just go with

Zadorov, Girard, Makar, Connauton in the top4
Byram on LD and someone between Graves/Barberio/Rosen on RD

when Johnson and Cole are back, they're 5 regulars and if Byram stays keep him; if not one of the 4 other (Connauton, Graves, Rosen, Barberio)
23 août 2019 à 6 h 58
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Take Gudbranson for a 4th or 5th and we'll call it a day
23 août 2019 à 7 h 18
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Gudas seems like a right handed Zadorov. I'm pretty excited to see him play in Washington. I mean, if there's something like... Kaut and Connauton/Barberio for Gudas and Stephenson? They should do that. But most likely Gudas sticks around a little bit.
23 août 2019 à 7 h 56
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You dont need one. You have deep D pool to choose from.



I agree people on this site get way to caught up with position listed on the roster. The place where it really matters in on the power playing since you have Makar and Johnson both right hand shots you will be fine.
23 août 2019 à 7 h 59
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Quoting: aedoran
I agree people on this site get way to caught up with position listed on the roster. The place where it really matters in on the power playing since you have Makar and Johnson both right hand shots you will be fine.


I mean it matters, but in their case it doesnt because timmins is really close to ready.
23 août 2019 à 8 h 23
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As a fan of a certain eastern conference team please don't trade for Gudbranson or Ristolainen. I would rather their defensive deficiencies stay in conference giving my team a greater competitive edge.
23 août 2019 à 9 h 4
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Quoting: bhavikp27
Just go with

Zadorov, Girard, Makar, Connauton in the top4
Byram on LD and someone between Graves/Barberio/Rosen on RD

when Johnson and Cole are back, they're 5 regulars and if Byram stays keep him; if not one of the 4 other (Connauton, Graves, Rosen, Barberio)


That's a pretty weak and inexperienced D to start the season with though.
23 août 2019 à 9 h 4
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Quoting: Barbs
As a fan of a certain eastern conference team please don't trade for Gudbranson or Ristolainen. I would rather their defensive deficiencies stay in conference giving my team a greater competitive edge.


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23 août 2019 à 9 h 6
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Quoting: aedoran
I agree people on this site get way to caught up with position listed on the roster. The place where it really matters in on the power playing since you have Makar and Johnson both right hand shots you will be fine.


Weird comment. In that case I'll play Grubauer LW, Landeskog in Goal, Kadri RD, Barberio at C.
 
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