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Kinda dumb for Avs to be so close to the cap, probably over with bonuses. And then next year their own RFAs want contracts. Leafs match or the Marner doesn't even sign it.

how bout Avs dont do that. Just a dumb dumb move

How? If someone offer sheeted Marner RIGHT NOW, what would they do? They'd have to clear 6.8M in salary... So they're going to A) Trade Nylander and match Marner or B) Keep Nylander, let Marner walk and get 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd..
If any team proposed a trade of 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd to the Leafs for Marner they wouldn't take it

At the cost of losing Nylander or letting Mitch walk I highly doubt it

Marner would sign it, and Avs could easily free up cap space while having the best young core in the NHL arguably...

Yeah getting Marner would be so so dumb

giving up 4 draft picks and tying up 10m in cap space when Avs no long can afford to do so with all their young stars needs to be resigned. Yeah it is dumb

They actually have $11,165,301 in room when you put Horton on LTIR, and move all of the "excess" players to the minors. Also you can be 10% over the cap for right now.

AND THIS IS WHY I WANT TORONTO TO SIGN MARNER AT 10.5+. Marner + JT + Matthews contracts would ruin the rest of that team.

lol i know there are ways to manipulate the cap, but you are going to roll 20 players all year? what happens when anderson is hurt for 9 games, cant call up a backup goalie. what happens if a guy like kapanen gets injured for 9 games. cant call up a right winger. you can get somewhat tricky with the cap, especially where hyman and dermott start on ltir. but to come out and say they have 11.1m in space without a full roster isnt it my man. they have to move someone out to fill the roster.

You're brain dead if you think Marner isn't worth 2 late 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd

I rather have the space to lock in Makar, Girad, Mack and Landeskog in the next 2-4 years over Marner and his 10m causing cap issues that you ahve to sacrifice young players just to turn into Toronto 2.0
You dont need 20m in RWers....you are brain dead if you dont see how its a bad long term move

10%? How is Vegas more than 3m over the cap without Clarkson on LTIR then?

Bad long term? They'll have the cap space LONG-TERM to resign everyone

That is the space with a full roster. I'm not saying they wouldn't need to make room, but they wouldn't need to move a $6M player, which is what gregb567 said was necessary. Also, I was quoting gregb567, not you, so I don't know why you started by saying "i know there are ways to manipulate the cap". You know that, sure, but gregb567 didn't

$3M is only 3.68% of the cap

No they dont, Girard is up next offseason, Makar Landeskog in 2, MacK in 4. Honetly you have no clue what a team that does cap management properly looks like. Its not hard to go check it out, dont be lazy.

Avs are in a prime spot and have built something very special, they arent going to destroy it bc of Mitch Marner to be the second line RW

11.1 is the space available with 20 players, i did a marner cap space earlier. i came up with the exact amount you said with only 20 players. the "full roster" is 23 players. so i mean you add in mikhayev 925k and 2 700k players and you are down to below 9m in actual space.

cap is going to continually go up. that amount may change year to year but 4 years from now cap could be 8m higher if you only use 2m per year raise, if that number goes up to 3m per year average its 12m extra in cap room.

You dont spend money you dont have and higher cap space just means bigger cuts at the pie down the road for a guy like MacKinnon, Landeskog etc. And your numbers are arbitrary and not at all accurate, so spare me with there is extra cap space down the road....how did that extra cap space work out for the Leafs when they spent close to 18m on 2 UFA players in back to back offseasons then had to pay their young stars. They created a huge cap problem for themselves witht hat sort of flawed logic.

I NEVER said anything about paying for marner or that it wouldnt affect avs young stars. im just stating the fact there will be more cap down the round that will make it workable. you can spend less on your 4th line, you can move money to different players. some players making 2-4 m right now probably wont be here, so i mean the money will likely be there, but you are correct, you dont make moves expecting cap to be a certain point. but its entirely doable if you draft well like they are and get returns for guys you need to ship out.

More cap space down the line just means more cap space as a percentage taht mack will rightly earn. I dont think thats too hard to understand. % of cap is relatively the same year by year by all the top players int eh league. A higher cap doesnt mean you have more cap space to spend...when it comes to keeping your stars its just a bigger number that you pay them and the roster surrounding them has to do the same. Thats how you get yourself into cap troubles thinking you have space down the line bc the cap will be higher. So will contracts in relation to it

You're forgetting about the Horton LTIR. All they would have to do is trade Ceci and easily match. Leafs wouldn't accept the picks because that a horrible return for Marner