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Offer sheet Marner

Créé par: gregb567
Équipe: 2019-20 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 8 juill. 2019
Publié: 8 juill. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Realistically this wouldn't happen and I think Colorado should've been smarter with this years draft picks to ensure they'd be able to at least make a play for a RFA is the opportunity arose.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
810 000 000 $
63 873 645 $
22 553 126 $
2783 133 $
2771 189 $
510 568 589 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Marner, Mitchell10 568 589 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020
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Choix de 1e ronde en 2021
Transactions
1.
COL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (COL)
WSH
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Swap seconds so Colorado can offer sheet Marner
2.
COL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (COL)
FLA
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Swap picks to offer sheet Marner
3.
COL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (OTT)
OTT
  1. Cole, Ian
Détails additionnels:
OTT gets a great veteran D, not much term left.
Move is made to clear up cap space to offer sheet Marner
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5 571 429 $5 571 429 $
AG, C
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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885 833 $885 833 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DD
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3 333 333 $3 333 333 $
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925 000 $925 000 $
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
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1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
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8 juill. 2019 à 23 h 55
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Quoting: gregb567
At the cost of losing Nylander or letting Mitch walk I highly doubt it


It might have already been pointed out but leafs run a 22 man roster instead of 23 (look it up, its allowed) and they have 10.7 million after putting two 700,000 guys in the minors....
after the Horton LTIR the leafs don't have to move anyone.

hence the bottle of wine being Fedexed to Sakic
9 juill. 2019 à 7 h 10
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No they dont, Girard is up next offseason, Makar Landeskog in 2, MacK in 4. Honetly you have no clue what a team that does cap management properly looks like. Its not hard to go check it out, dont be lazy.

Avs are in a prime spot and have built something very special, they arent going to destroy it bc of Mitch Marner to be the second line RW


So in 2020-2021 they have 41m cap space (without signing anyone this year) and (not accounting for the cap going up, which IT WILL)
They'd need to fit: Rantanen, Compher, Bura, Kamenev, Jost, Zadorov and Girard.. EASILY doable. I dont care about Wilson, Nieto, Barberio, Connauton or Francouz.. if you dont think you can fit those 7 core young players in with that amount of money you're brain dead!

Not to mention Colorado has a great farm system
9 juill. 2019 à 8 h 57
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You're forgetting about the Horton LTIR. All they would have to do is trade Ceci and easily match. Leafs wouldn't accept the picks because that a horrible return for Marner


so you would rather lose your 4th defender, a guy you just traded for, instead of trading marners rfa rights if you really cant sign him to a deal. I know marner is a great player but whats your defense look like after you trade ceci away, dermott is on ltir to start the year.
9 juill. 2019 à 10 h 14
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So in 2020-2021 they have 41m cap space (without signing anyone this year) and (not accounting for the cap going up, which IT WILL)
They'd need to fit: Rantanen, Compher, Bura, Kamenev, Jost, Zadorov and Girard.. EASILY doable. I dont care about Wilson, Nieto, Barberio, Connauton or Francouz.. if you dont think you can fit those 7 core young players in with that amount of money you're brain dead!

Not to mention Colorado has a great farm system


you really are dense not understanding you have to take into consideration the Landeskog and Mackinnon major raises , as well as Makar in the next 2-4 years...and as the cap goes up the more expensive their contracts get taking bigger pieces of the pie. Talk about being brain dead...I have mentioned that multiple times and you still dont understand that.
9 juill. 2019 à 10 h 28
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you really are dense not understanding you have to take into consideration the Landeskog and Mackinnon major raises , as well as Makar in the next 2-4 years...and as the cap goes up the more expensive their contracts get taking bigger pieces of the pie. Talk about being brain dead...I have mentioned that multiple times and you still dont understand that.


you're dense... they'll have enough money for everyone tears of joy
2021-2022: Rantanen, Compher, Bura, Kamenev, Jost, Zadorov, Girard, Landeskog, Makar and Grubauer... if they cant fit that in with 60 F UCKING million dollars they're terrible with cap.
9 juill. 2019 à 10 h 36
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you're dense... they'll have enough money for everyone tears of joy
2021-2022: Rantanen, Compher, Bura, Kamenev, Jost, Zadorov, Girard, Landeskog, Makar and Grubauer... if they cant fit that in with 60 F UCKING million dollars they're terrible with cap.


You say that but add up the numbers, do it, put money down to those contracts, including MacKinnon extention. Lets see what fantasy land you live in when you actually but dollars amount to people
9 juill. 2019 à 11 h 31
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so you would rather lose your 4th defender, a guy you just traded for, instead of trading marners rfa rights if you really cant sign him to a deal. I know marner is a great player but whats your defense look like after you trade ceci away, dermott is on ltir to start the year.


Dermott can easily fill in the number 4 spot and there are still free agent Dman available. Any deal for Marner has the potential to flop which is why I'd rather keep him. Quality>quantity
9 juill. 2019 à 11 h 48
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Dermott can easily fill in the number 4 spot and there are still free agent Dman available. Any deal for Marner has the potential to flop which is why I'd rather keep him. Quality>quantity


dermott is out until at least mid november if not later with shoulder surgery. 6 month MINIMUM recovery time on that. I just think you trade nylander and sign marner or you trade marner and keep nylander. you cant feasibly roster 3 10+ million dollar players in a hard cap league where cap is only 81m.
9 juill. 2019 à 12 h 5
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dermott is out until at least mid november if not later with shoulder surgery. 6 month MINIMUM recovery time on that. I just think you trade nylander and sign marner or you trade marner and keep nylander. you cant feasibly roster 3 10+ million dollar players in a hard cap league where cap is only 81m.


It's a matter of what you get in return. You're only going to get a package deal, and I'd much rather have the best player in the deal as opposed to a package of worse players and picks
9 juill. 2019 à 12 h 9
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You say that but add up the numbers, do it, put money down to those contracts, including MacKinnon extention. Lets see what fantasy land you live in when you actually but dollars amount to people


60M without inflation of the cap

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15E1qqh3OfHvvhbv_pICfKT7VR1jJEVhWQOyKviWLN54/edit#gid=707766415 projections

Rantanen: $9,931,903 8 yrs
Kamenev: $771,189 2 yrs (he'll have to be resigned in 2021 so lets say his salary triples to $2,313,567 for 2 years as well. (probably unrealistic and he isn't a MAJOR part of the core, so could do without this)
Compher: $3,873,645 for 6 years
Bura: $2,553,126 for 2 years (he'll have to be resigned in 2021, let's say his salary triples to $7,659,378 for 2 years as well. (Bura has loads of potential but not sure if I ever see him making almost 8m..)
Jost: No projection due to the fact that he's RFA next year not this year. Same salary as Bura is fair or even overshooting it I think tbh. $7,659,378 for 2 years.
Zadorov: Signed 1 year 3.2M. Let's double that to 6.4 for 2 years. Probably too much again.
Girard: Coming out of his entry level, hard to gauge. Lets say 5M for 2 years? Realistically probably 2.5M too much.
Landeskog: Lets say he gets 10M. I know as well as probably everyone on here that he's not worth that but for arguments sake.
Makar: Whatever McAvoy gets I think he'll get slightly less. Lets say 7.5M.
Grubauer. Lets say he doubles his current salary he's just under 7M.

Add all of that up and it's 66M, and that's probably overvaluing everyone HARD.
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9 juill. 2019 à 12 h 12
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It's a matter of what you get in return. You're only going to get a package deal, and I'd much rather have the best player in the deal as opposed to a package of worse players and picks


right I agree. But at the amount that he wants to sign for (maybe it comes down doubtful though) you cannot keep this roster together as is. so that being said. you would rather trade ceci in a cap dump and hope the dcorp is ok. I get that, but again in a hard cap league you just cant have too many high paid guys together. it takes away too much of your depth.
9 juill. 2019 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: gregb567
60M without inflation of the cap

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15E1qqh3OfHvvhbv_pICfKT7VR1jJEVhWQOyKviWLN54/edit#gid=707766415 projections

Rantanen: $9,931,903 8 yrs
Kamenev: $771,189 2 yrs (he'll have to be resigned in 2021 so lets say his salary triples to $2,313,567 for 2 years as well. (probably unrealistic and he isn't a MAJOR part of the core, so could do without this)
Compher: $3,873,645 for 6 years
Bura: $2,553,126 for 2 years (he'll have to be resigned in 2021, let's say his salary triples to $7,659,378 for 2 years as well. (Bura has loads of potential but not sure if I ever see him making almost 8m..)
Jost: No projection due to the fact that he's RFA next year not this year. Same salary as Bura is fair or even overshooting it I think tbh. $7,659,378 for 2 years.
Zadorov: Signed 1 year 3.2M. Let's double that to 6.4 for 2 years. Probably too much again.
Girard: Coming out of his entry level, hard to gauge. Lets say 5M for 2 years? Realistically probably 2.5M too much.
Landeskog: Lets say he gets 10M. I know as well as probably everyone on here that he's not worth that but for arguments sake.
Makar: Whatever McAvoy gets I think he'll get slightly less. Lets say 7.5M.
Grubauer. Lets say he doubles his current salary he's just under 7M.

Add all of that up and it's 66M, and that's probably overvaluing everyone HARD.


Using someone else project method, not your own so lazy....and the point of this all uou dont include MacKinnon....you have 66m in 10 players and you want to add 10m in Marner, plus you need to ensure you have space for mega deal for Mackinnon. You still need to fill out 12 roster spots and you would have easily burned 76m in 11 players. Plus yous till have MackInnon, Donskoi, Kadri and Johnson contracts to comprehend bc they are still on the books 3 years from now. Combined they are over 20m in cap space. Awesome you have 96m conmitted and have 15 guys under contract 2 years from now and need to sign 8 more. I didnt know the cap was going to be well over a 100m by then.

Congrats you just sank the Colorado Avalanche bc you mismanged the cap buy adding Marner
9 juill. 2019 à 13 h 29
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Using someone else project method, not your own so lazy....and the point of this all uou dont include MacKinnon....you have 66m in 10 players and you want to add 10m in Marner, plus you need to ensure you have space for mega deal for Mackinnon. You still need to fill out 12 roster spots and you would have easily burned 76m in 11 players. Plus yous till have MackInnon, Donskoi, Kadri and Johnson contracts to comprehend bc they are still on the books 3 years from now. Combined they are over 20m in cap space. Awesome you have 96m conmitted and have 15 guys under contract 2 years from now and need to sign 8 more. I didnt know the cap was going to be well over a 100m by then.

Congrats you just sank the Colorado Avalanche bc you mismanged the cap buy adding Marner


Gave my opinions on pretty much every signing. I think you're seemingly forgetting that in the NHL nowadays teams are uber reliant on cheap, young depth players. Colorado has prospects that can come up and make the jump to be cheaper replacement options.

Take out Zadorov and insert Byram. Timmins also could potentially be an option in 2-3 years.
Insert Kaut/Bowers into the 3rd/4th lines maybe even up.
They'd all be making less than 925k.

Is Bura gonna get 7.6M? NO.
Is Girard gonna get 5M out of his ELC? No.
Zadorov a fringe top4, better suited for a shutdown bottom pair guy gonna get 6M? No.
Jost? Getting 7.6M in 2-3 years? No.
Kamenev getting 2.3M? More realistic than the other options, still, probably not.
Landy getting 10? I'd cringe, might happen, shouldn't.
Rantanen probably will get less than 11.
Mackinnon deserves 12.5, maybe he might fetch more. I'd like to think he's follow his hometown/childhood idol Sid and take less to field a better team. who knows.
Makar, I'd be willing to be he gets less than 7.5 due to the fact he's not as complete as a Dman than McAvoy, but who knows. 7.5M for LONG term would work, other than that a bridge deal 5-6M more likely imo.

With the savings there, they'd be fine. I exaggerated all of those contracts except maybe Rantanen and Mackinnon

Also, Johnson, Kadri and Donskoi could easily be traded that far into their respective contracts to make cap room
 
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