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Créé par: Chiller

Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 2 juill. 2019

Publié: 2 juill. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Well no one expected any of this at all.... so now that the picture is a bit more clear..

Kerfoot: Strong defensive numbers, has played Center in the NHL. Good for 40-45Pts. 24y/o RFA. So here is a 3 year deal at 3.2. I assume he signs a Kappy/Mango deal. anywhere in that range

Ceci: Leafs pay and dump. After signing him to 4.5Mil, you pay him immedaitley 3.5Mil in bonus. Trade him away to a team that needs the cap hit without the Salary. I chose vancouver but to be honest I have no idea who would take that contract on. Any D coming back is just as bad or has too much term or both. Maybe the best course of action is to give him his bonus' just trade him away and get a UFA D.

Marner: After Meiers and Aho sign very good deals, marners 11Mil/5 is as we all knew, stupid. No offer sheets have come. Aho the best comparable, plays C and is arguably slightly more skilled(up for debate). Marner eventually signs a long term 9Mil/7. I might be a bit low, maybe 9.25, but now with 2 comparables, 1 a great one.. his price has to have dropped.

Sparks: He is your backup because all remaining goalies are terrible. but maybe scott darling? Eddie Lack? Either way its a crap shoot.

Ideally I would like to upgrade the defense more with the amount of cap we still have, esepcially with dermott out for part of the start, but not sure who could be added for 1 year. Need next years $ to attempt to resign Barrie and maybe Muzzin. If either are even possible. The option is keep Ceci for the year and try the ol pump n dump? THere is enough cap space to do it..

I think Muzzin-Barrie is a better pairing off the bat, but who knows. Give them shutdown minutes. Give Rielly Dermott the fun OZ. 3rd pair.. i dunno?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Kerfoot, Alexander	3	3 200 000 $
Ceci, Cody	1	4 500 000 $
Marner, Mitchell	7	9 000 000 $

Transactions

TOR

Biega, Alex

Détails additionnels:

Biega is the oldest and is expendable. Vancouver gets a year to figure out if they like Ceci or can let him walk. RFA if they like him and 6 years younger

VAN

Ceci, Cody
Choix de 6e ronde en 2020 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

After Signing Ceci, Leafs attach 3.5Mil of Bonus for July 1. Leaving 1Mil in actual Salary remaining

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	77 228 866 $	0 $	0 $	4 271 134 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 634 000 $11 634 000 $ C UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Marner, Mitchell 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Moore, Trevor 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 4	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Shore, Nick 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD NTC UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Sparks, Garret 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Biega, Alex 825 000 $825 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus 894 167 $894 167 $ DG UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Petan, Nicolas 775 000 $775 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2		Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Holl, Justin 675 000 $675 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Gravel, Kevin 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 21

DonkeyLips

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Toronto has definitely had a very good off-season so far. Still not gonna make it out of the first round though.

2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 22

BeterChiarelli

LIVIN ON A PRAYER

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I don't think that Vancouver could afford Ceci's hit regardless of the actual dollars owed, and I also don't think it's wise for a team this cap-stressed with expiring deals to go into this season with over $4M in cap space. Load up and make a legitimate run at the thing. Ceci's strength is a good first pass, and that lack of transition killed the Leafs last year. He's not worth trading now: run with him and see if an actual NHL defender can be had in the guy.

PLUS the way Dubas is patient with prospects suggests to me that both Sandin and Liljegren aren't NHL regulars until next season.

Sign_em_up000000 et NR1203 a aimé ceci.

2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 29

GenXHockey

Formerly Jamiepo

Rejoint: juill. 2018

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Well Dubas has said publically that he will play Ceci, take that for what it’s worth. I’m not positive what is going on with his contract though... seems a bit fishy that it isn’t signed. Is dubas still hoping he signs his QO? Lots of reports they have agreed on 4.5m...

As for marner I agree. It will be tail between the legs time soon enough. Aho has set the market for the big rfa’s. I expect Rantanen and point to sign soon enough pushing Mitch into a corner.

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2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 37

Sign_em_up000000

Rejoint: juin 2019

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The leafs should have flipped Ceci for a pick right away and signed a couple of cheaper options

Also hutch is our back up next year pr sparks whoever wons the job outta camp

And Marner's comps are likely Aho and Panarin so he likely falls somewhere in between both id say 6 years 10.5

2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 41

Ngp2

NGP22

Rejoint: mai 2019

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Ceci plays more games for TOR than Sandin next year. Babcock is gonna give him top 4 min.

2 juill. 2019 à 13 h 49

Chiller

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Brewmaster

Rejoint: janv. 2019

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Panarin is not a good comparable. he is a UFA, with all the power and is much much better than Marner at this stage of his Career. UFAs and RFAs are completely different. Marner- a RFA, no negotiating rights minus an offer sheet(wont happen). His closest comparables are Point(1-year older, center), Aho(same draft-center), Rantanen(Same draft-winger). All RFAs, all basically the same age, all elite. You cant use Panarin and say I am him. Mitch can try and choose his own comparables, but thats really not how this works. You dont get to pick who you think you are. Dubas goes to mItch and says see how you basically are Aho but you dont play center and you arent as good defensively... well his deal seems fair so sign it or sit out.

Even before this deal Marner was worht 10/8 Max. Now I think its even lower. 10.5/6, gross gross overpayment based on every comparable from Kane in the past, to Aho now.

GenXHockey a aimé ceci.

2 juill. 2019 à 14 h 28

Sign_em_up000000

Rejoint: juin 2019

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Quoting: Chiller

Panarin and Marner ar both essentially 100 point wingers although Marner is a playmaker and Panarin is a sniper, that being said point hasn't signed yet and Tampa has no state tax, weather we like it or not Marner can compare himself to whomever he wants as it takes two parties to sign a contract. That being said if i where dubas that would be my final offer and if Mitch doesn't want to sign it I would say have fun sitting at home as we will not negotiate during the season like we did with Nylander

All that said it really doesn't matter what any of us say as we have no control over the situation we're all just frustrated fans waiting to see what happens

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2 juill. 2019 à 14 h 39

Chiller

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Brewmaster

Rejoint: janv. 2019

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Yes, we just want it to be done. Sign a damn contract Mitch. I still think UFA vs RFA make a huge difference in terms of money. 2 Sides need to come together, but not being able to leave the Leafs willingly or any team you are an RFA from is very powerful. "Hey Mitch our stats and spreadsheets say "X Million over X Years". After everything Dubas has done, and looking at Ferris and mitch and the **** they pulled all year, i assume it gets done below market value especially with Aho signing..."

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2 juill. 2019 à 14 h 49

Sign_em_up000000

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Quoting: Chiller

I agree 100% and understand there's a difference between ufa and rfa just comparing them cause of points and the fact that Breadman has a contract also agree that 10×8 is what he's worth just going on everything we've heard so far, and i honestly would let him sit out the year if he continues to be unreasonable because that's exactly what he's doing

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