Remove the 2020 1st and you still aren’t offering enough for Dumba!

canes trade is interesting idk if the canes do it based on their defense situation but its a decent trade for them

Potentially giving away Bonino, a 2nd, and TWO firsts for Kreider and the rights to Pionk? Yikes, that's an overpay!

Even Zucc with retained salary only fetched a 2nd and 3rd which became conditional firsts (Stars making it to the west finals / Zucc re-signing). Kreider is only two years younger than Zucc with a lower Pts/Gm average (0.58 vs 0.69). Not a huge difference in point production, but when you compare it to the Zucc trade where there was salary retained for a player who provided slightly more offense...there's no way you can ask for a roster player and a first straight up plus another two 2nds, let alone that turning into an extra 1st and a second.

And adding RFA rights for Pionk doesn't move the needle at all. Nashville is trying to move someone on defense like Subban due to the upcoming expansion draft and for cap reasons...plus they already have Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, and Fabbro on the back end, so along with Subban (until he's moved), Pionk would only be a 6/7 defenseman at best for them since I don't see him being better than the other 5 there.

zucc was traded at the deadline while krieder retains full value at the draft until year starts. Krieder is younger and provides physicality as well as speed with high top 6 offence. Pionk is a projected low top 4 most likely a 5th, but this fits nashvilles win window and we are taking on boninos cap from this standpoint I wouldnt do it if i were nyr this doesnt help us as much as it helps you. Bonino isnt a roster player he is a cap dump. also Zucc was considerably older while krieder will be in his prime for another few years.

That dumba trade isn’t close to enough value for dumba without the first pick being involved.

Oh I’ll very gladly say NO to Zuccarello! Let Dallas re-sign him so NYR get a 2020 first in a stacked class. Enough of the love affair with a middle 6 forward.

I never got the appeal of krieder, he always seemed like he should be more productive than he actually is

This is is funny, if Kreider resigns with Nashville he wants a second 1st AND he wants a 1st with Dumba but isn't giving a 1st for Dumba... ?

Where is all this Kreider value coming from. I even saw a guy say McAvoy and 2 firsts for kreider. The guy has barely cracked 50 points twice.

Rangers fans massively overvalue him, he has yet to hit the 60 point mark in his career yet apparently he's worth multiple 1st round picks and top young roster players... ?

Why do NYR fans keep trading Vesey??

Kreider is getting paid close to the same amount as Bonino, with Kreider counting $500k more to the cap. That's not how a cap dump works. If you want a cap dump, take on a contract like Turris who will be making a cool $6m for the next 5 seasons to provide even less than Bonino is. Or figure a deal for Subban where Nashville takes on lower salary in exchange for giving up picks. Because, right now, your "cap dump" situation has them losing a potential two first round picks and then some along with coming out with the higher cap hit of the players involved in the trade.

Not mentioning the fact that Kreider is going to be a UFA next offseason, so you're getting about 3/4 more of a season out of the trade. That doesn't make his value a 3rd line forward plus one guaranteed first round and one guaranteed second round pick along with another second rounder that could turn into yet another first rounder. That's just a lot to give up for someone like Kreider.

And as I said, it's nice that Pionk projects to be that, but he won't be that in Nashville. He'd sit behind Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, Subban, and Fabbro at this point, making him a 6/7 defenseman depending on who else the Preds have this season on defense. Preds don't need another body on defense, so Pionk adds no value to this trade unless they move Subban for cap reasons (which has been a prevailing rumor).

I'm not saying there isn't a deal to be made between Nashville and New York for a player like Kreider, but I am saying that it won't be for an overvaluation like this.

Also, it doesn't help me since I'm a Devils fan who also likes the Preds to some extent since I lived near Bridgestone Arena for a few years and caught a bunch of games