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Well Paul Marner maybe pissed but the leafs will match that offer and he will be back. The issue to me if this is true is his father forgets his son is a winger who before this season had issues defensively. So putting him with one of the better 2 way centers and the best LW the team had was in the teams best interest. Also as a winger they are paid less than centers thats a fact Kutcherov is arguably the best winger in the NHL right now and is getting 3 million less than the best center in this league. My point is if he thought they would match Matthews salary seeing they are equally important to this team unfortunately as a winger they are paid less so if Mitch Marner loves playing for the leafs he will need to except this fact and like Matthews take what he feels is a 2 million discount and get practally the bulk as a bonus making it strike proof of wait to get offersheeted and get paid probably like you propose .5 million more and maybe even longer term and make far less overall due to less endorsment $.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 1

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No one has yet to make a logical reason he should take less than 11.6
Which is where I believe he will sign.
THis is hockey. Players don't have to play second fiddle on the ice. They can be put on their own line. But that also means they are going to want paid.
The shelled out big money for JT last year. Come tell me you would rather pay JT 11 million a year than Marner. And you will see rather easily why he's going to get paid.

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 4

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Quoting: PuckPal

if Mitch Marner loves playing for the leafs he will need to except this fact and like Matthews take what he feels is a 2 million discount

Does that pisses me off, when i see ppl blindly claiming Matthews took 2M discount to "help TML"

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 6

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Quoting: Laudan

Does that pisses me off, when i see ppl blindly claiming Matthews took 2M discount to "help TML"

I said matthews felt was a 2 million dollar discount.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 8

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Quoting: pharrow

No one has yet to make a logical reason he should take less than 11.6
Which is where I believe he will sign.
THis is hockey. Players don't have to play second fiddle on the ice. They can be put on their own line. But that also means they are going to want paid.
The shelled out big money for JT last year. Come tell me you would rather pay JT 11 million a year than Marner. And you will see rather easily why he's going to get paid.

Marner is a winger.
Rantanen and Point are both better FA's that likely won't sign for over 10.
No winger makes over 10.5 and def not in a RFA contract year.
Marners point skyrocketed playing with an elite C and JT's slightly increased (All JT's wingers have done this)
Marner gets more endorsement money in Toronto than any other team can offer him in terms of cap/endorsements total.

It's an easy concept to understand. Marner won't be back on Toronto over 10.5, but he'll almost certainly be back.

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 10

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Lol.. chill. Nylander's dad had the same issues just didn't go public with them and a deal still got done with Nylander. What's Marner's dad supposed to say? That he thinks his son isn't the best or he doesn't deserve more money? Comeon'. It's a business first. A sport second. Players all fight for more money and teams always fight for less. It's just amplified because it's the Toronto media. If he played for Florida there would be no issues. Relax. A deal will get done.

As for saying "Honestly, it seems very unlikely for Mitch Marner to return to Toronto next season." you better source that or you look foolish. There's been nothing that's come out saying that he's unlikely to return. Leafs want him back and he wants to be there. It's actually far more likely that he is back than not.

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 10

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Quoting: PuckPal

I said matthews felt was a 2 million dollar discount.

Don't disagree with him. He thinks he's always right and will never admit to being wrong. Not worth your time

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 14

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Quoting: Vortex

nah i think were fine, no comfirmed sources of marner saying he wants 12 mil average, plus the leafs will rid of Nylander, Kadri, Zaitsev, Johnsson, Kapanen, etc before they even think about losing Marner

That’s the thing though. Everyone is talking about Kapanen, Johnsson, Nylander, Kadri or Brown possibly not returning next year but no one expects Marner to be the odd man out.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 15

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Quoting: pharrow

No one has yet to make a logical reason he should take less than 11.6
Which is where I believe he will sign.
THis is hockey. Players don't have to play second fiddle on the ice. They can be put on their own line. But that also means they are going to want paid.
The shelled out big money for JT last year. Come tell me you would rather pay JT 11 million a year than Marner. And you will see rather easily why he's going to get paid.

How about the fact no team in their right mind will make marner the highest paid winger. This is due to that it hurt them in future negotiations. For example if a team like the islanders did Brazel is now worth 13 million due to he is putting up similar numbers and a center. That's just an example of the mess just within the team cap wise. Then every other team will be pissed at you for doing this cause every player comming off RFA are now worth almost 10% more than they are based off this contract. Ask oiler fans how much it helped them offersheeting i read somewheres where 75% of the other teams refused to trade with edmonton in that period unless they overpaid due to compensation they felt they deserved for inflating RFA contracts.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 17

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Quoting: PuckPal

How about the fact no team in their right mind will make marner the highest paid winger. This is due to that it hurt them in future negotiations. For example if a team like the islanders did Brazel is now worth 13 million due to he is putting up similar numbers and a center. That's just an example of the mess just within the team cap wise. Then every other team will be pissed at you for doing this cause every player comming off RFA are now worth almost 10% more than they are based off this contract. Ask oiler fans how much it helped them offersheeting i read somewheres where 75% of the other teams refused to trade with edmonton in that period unless they overpaid due to compensation they felt they deserved for inflating RFA contracts.

dude they already screwed that up with Nylander.

Also you can stop calling Marner a winger. He can play center. He's done it before. And he's not a Kucherov type winger anyway. He's a Kane line winger, who was also one of the highest paid players in the league when he signed his deal.

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 20

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Quoting: TheDream_43

Marner is a winger.
Rantanen and Point are both better FA's that likely won't sign for over 10.
No winger makes over 10.5 and def not in a RFA contract year.
Marners point skyrocketed playing with an elite C and JT's slightly increased (All JT's wingers have done this)
Marner gets more endorsement money in Toronto than any other team can offer him in terms of cap/endorsements total.

It's an easy concept to understand. Marner won't be back on Toronto over 10.5, but he'll almost certainly be back.

Marner is as much a winger as Kane or Panarin. They may play wing, but the offense goes through them. You can just stop that lame argument right there. Because much like Kane, he's going to be one of the highest paid players in the league when he signs his deal.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 20

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Quoting: PuckPal

Well Paul Marner maybe pissed but the leafs will match that offer and he will be back. The issue to me if this is true is his father forgets his son is a winger who before this season had issues defensively. So putting him with one of the better 2 way centers and the best LW the team had was in the teams best interest. Also as a winger they are paid less than centers thats a fact Kutcherov is arguably the best winger in the NHL right now and is getting 3 million less than the best center in this league. My point is if he thought they would match Matthews salary seeing they are equally important to this team unfortunately as a winger they are paid less so if Mitch Marner loves playing for the leafs he will need to except this fact and like Matthews take what he feels is a 2 million discount and get practally the bulk as a bonus making it strike proof of wait to get offersheeted and get paid probably like you propose .5 million more and maybe even longer term and make far less overall due to less endorsment $.

The issue is not on the money at this point. Paul Marner feels disrespected by the Leafs organization and simply doesn’t want his son to return next season. He thinks Mitch should be recognized as the Leafs best player and be considered for captaincy. He says the Leafs don’t treat Mitch as one of their star players and don’t appreciate the value he brings to the team. Even if the Leafs pay him 11.5 million, neither sides will be happy. Paul Marner would happily take 10 million in any other market, as long as his son gets to be the number one player.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 22

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Quoting: pharrow

Marner is as much a winger as Kane or Panarin. They may play wing, but the offense goes through them. You can just stop that lame argument right there. Because much like Kane, he's going to be one of the highest paid players in the league when he signs his deal.

and Kane was a winger who signed for 10.5 million as a UFA.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 29

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Quoting: TheDream_43

and Kane was a winger who signed for 10.5 million as a UFA.

Quoting: pharrow

Marner is as much a winger as Kane or Panarin. They may play wing, but the offense goes through them. You can just stop that lame argument right there. Because much like Kane, he's going to be one of the highest paid players in the league when he signs his deal.

Exactly and the league took Kane's contract as an isolated situation seeing Teows took 2 million less on the premise that it went to Kane. Also, Panarin is going to be closer to 9.5 on a 7 year deal especially seeing he has rumoured to be only interested in a NY market and has only really 1 team bidding from that matket.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 31

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Quoting: MichaelFu

The issue is not on the money at this point. Paul Marner feels disrespected by the Leafs organization and simply doesn’t want his son to return next season. He thinks Mitch should be recognized as the Leafs best player and be considered for captaincy. He says the Leafs don’t treat Mitch as one of their star players and don’t appreciate the value he brings to the team. Even if the Leafs pay him 11.5 million, neither sides will be happy. Paul Marner would happily take 10 million in any other market, as long as his son gets to be the number one player.

The issue is his son is an RFA so he has no choice but to play for them if the match.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 33

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Quoting: PuckPal

The issue is his son is an RFA so he has no choice but to play for them if the match.

The Leafs are not going to match. The front office is annoyed and angered by Paul Marner to the point in which they could care less if Mitch returns. The team will not offer more than 8.5 million.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 34

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Quoting: PuckPal

Exactly and the league took Kane's contract as an isolated situation seeing Teows took 2 million less on the premise that it went to Kane. Also, Panarin is going to be closer to 9.5 on a 7 year deal especially seeing he has rumoured to be only interested in a NY market and has only really 1 team bidding from that matket.

The TSN and Sportsnet media brainwashed people to the Marner is the greatest player of all time, it doesn't even make sense. Nylander was slandered last year for asking more than the leafs wanted to pay and Marner in the exact same situation is being lowballed and undercut by the leafs. Marner is an excellent winger, and hopefully, he's a life long leaf. That being said, his closest (Highest) comparable is Draisitl when he signed for 8.5. With inflation that is still under 10 million. Mind you he also plays C a lot and was considered to be extremely overpaid by many for the year that followed.

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 37

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Either this is deeply sarcastic or very pessimistic...

cheer up man, your boy will be back. Its called leverage and its a 2 way street

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12 mai 2019 à 16 h 37

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I love Marner but anything over 10.5 you take the 4 firsts and sign a big name FA. (If unsigned still they could turn around and offersheet Point just under 10m and Tampa either can't match and we lose much less picks than we gained or we cap strap our biggest competition next year.)

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 38

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Quoting: pharrow

dude they already screwed that up with Nylander.

Also you can stop calling Marner a winger. He can play center. He's done it before. And he's not a Kucherov type winger anyway. He's a Kane line winger, who was also one of the highest paid players in the league when he signed his deal.

He maybe able to cover at center but he has never been considered to play center even last year when Matthews got injured and why though a talanted playmaker he is to strong enough to play center. He actually in Junior was put on the wing and Tkachuk was the center in London due to it. Also, Nylander had a bad year but his market value was around 6.5- 7 thats where most analysts and scouts had his value. Was it close to that?

12 mai 2019 à 16 h 42

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