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Créé par: Jordan_bloom124
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 26 avr. 2019
Publié: 26 avr. 2019
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Alright lets walk through this one by one.

I made a ton of depth signings, people like Carcone and and Mueller. Not gonna bother discussing them here

Marner gets 9.5 x 6. No team will offer sheet him and surrender their 4 1sts. I think this is a fair offer. Is he worth more? Maybe. But his RFA status drops his value because teams won't pay the 4 1sts to sign him. In a theoretical scenario where he gets offer sheeted, Toronto matches if its not enough to get the 4 1sts, and matches if its under that threshold.

Connor Brown gets dealt because he's anemic at 5v5. We can find a PK replacement. Edmonton wanted him at the deadline, but they'll get him now.

Babs goes to Buffalo, they are the only team with a HC vacancy and also were the other team in the running when the Leafs got Babs in the first place. Lou cost us a 3rd a few years back, so that'll be the cost for the Sabres. The leafs hire Sheldon Keefe to be their new head coach

Zaitsev goes back to the Island. Lou loved him and signed him initially. He fits their style of play. His contract is the reason we have to attach a pick to him to get him outta here.

Marleau does not choose to retire, but rather is forced to retire. Dubas says "you can stay, but you will be scratched." Marleau gets dealt to Ottawa because after July 1 Marleau only has 1.5 mil left in real money on his deal. Ottawa saves cash, Toronto saves cap hit. Kind of similar to the David Clarkson trade from a few years back.

Now HERE is the big. Subban to the leafs. Chris Johnston says the leafs were looking at big name right shot DMen. I chose Subban because Nashville has a plethora of D, and not a lot of scoring. Makes sense on their end. So what is fair return? I saved with Liljegren. If I picture Liljegren panning out perfectly, I imagine him as Subban, so I don't feel bad giving him up. Plus we keep Sandin. Nashville will ask for Willie, but I'd say no. Idk if this trade would require Kappy AND Johnsson, but if that's what it took, I'd do it. Subban is a #1 D. Kappy and Johnsson are middle to top 6 wingers. I'll take the #1 D. Ian Scot is kind of a throw in since the Leafs have Woll in the pipeline and Rinne is getting a bit up there in age, but that extra piece is really just a shot in the dark. Subban is under contract for another few years, so this isn't a rental or anything like that. The only thing that worries me is age, which makes me think maybe the target should be someone like a Jared Spurgeon, but Subban wa sthe first available, Right Shot, Elite D that can to mind.

This team rolls basically the same top 2 lines as they did this year. The third line adds Bracco and Ennis (who resigns because he loves Toronto's medical staff) to move the puck up and down the ice. Not an idea line, but solid. The fourth line is kind of cobbled together, maybe the Leafs sign a few projects or depth veterans to fill these roles.

Ahhhhhh this defense is LEGIT. This top 4 is really, really good. Rielly, Subban, Muzzin Dermott. Tough, skilled, puck movers. Not soft, but the new NHL. Rosen and Hainsey make up the bottom pair, and I think they would actually do great together.

Goaltending remains the same.
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    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 8
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    I'd be surprised to see Marner signing that contract. His first contract comparison is Matthews, and he did better than Matthews did.

    Realistically, I see no reason why Marner should agree with any deal below $10,5M AAV.
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    I'd be surprised to see Marner signing that contract. His first contract comparison is Matthews, and he did better than Matthews did.

    Realistically, I see no reason why Marner should agree with any deal below $10,5M AAV.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 17
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    Quoting: BurgerBoss
    His first contract comparison is Matthews, and he did better than Matthews did.


    No he did not. Stop this.
    Advanced stats, basic stats, literally everything says this is blatantly false.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 19
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    Quoting: BurgerBoss
    I'd be surprised to see Marner signing that contract. His first contract comparison is Matthews, and he did better than Matthews did.

    Realistically, I see no reason why Marner should agree with any deal below $10,5M AAV.


    The answer is because no one will offer him 10.5. Anyone who does, and Marner signs with him, would have to give Toronto FOUR first rounders. The leafs would take those picks and run away as fast as they could, and use the money to sign someone else. Remember Marner is an RFA, not UFA. Toronto not only has right of first refusal, but compensation if he walks
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    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 20
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    No he did not. Stop this.
    Advanced stats, basic stats, literally everything says this is blatantly false.

    Matthews is also a centre which is far more valuable, and din't play with John Tavares. He played a lot of the year without Willie too. The bets player on his wing was Kapanen for much of the year
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 20
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    The best player on his wing was Kapanen for much of the year


    No
    For the same reasons listed above
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 28
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    The answer is because no one will offer him 10.5. Anyone who does, and Marner signs with him, would have to give Toronto FOUR first rounders. The leafs would take those picks and run away as fast as they could, and use the money to sign someone else. Remember Marner is an RFA, not UFA. Toronto not only has right of first refusal, but compensation if he walks


    Even though Marner is a RFA, he must agree to a contract first. And I don't see why he would agree to that. That's my point.
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    No he did not. Stop this.
    Advanced stats, basic stats, literally everything says this is blatantly false.


    Except points. By over 20 point margin.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 29
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    No
    For the same reasons listed above


    Not in terms of skill, in terms of playing time. Willie>Kappy, but Willy spent most of his time either in contract standoff or with Kadri on line 3
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 29
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    Except points. By over 20 point margin.


    Matthews missed like 20 games. Not fair.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 30
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    Even though Marner is a RFA, he must agree to a contract first. And I don't see why he would agree to that. That's my point.


    He'd agree because it would be the best offer available
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 32
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    Matthews missed like 20 games. Not fair.


    He missed 14. 73 points in 68 games, that's 88 points in 82 games. Still less than Marner.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 32
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    Except points. By over 20 point margin.


    Matthews: 0.97 ppg
    Marner: 0.92 ppg
    Marner did it with JT, AM did it with depth players
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 32
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    He'd agree because it would be the best offer available


    Or he'd pull Nylander and wait until the offer gets better.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 37
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    Matthews: 0.97 ppg
    Marner: 0.92 ppg
    Marner did it with JT, AM did it with depth players


    Are those the whole career numbers? Because this year the numbers are 1,15 compared to 1,07 in Marner's favor.

    I agree that Matthews is better player. But he should not be getting over $2M more than Marner. The difference is not that big.
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    Or he'd pull Nylander and wait until the offer gets better.


    The thing is, it won't. No other team will sit there with an offer, and Marner wouldn't dare sit the year
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    Are those the whole career numbers? Because this year the numbers are 1,15 compared to 1,07 in Marner's favor.

    I agree that Matthews is better player. But he should not be getting over $2M more than Marner. The difference is not that big.


    yeah. I tend to use large sample sizes. Statistical Anomalies are likely to occur in the NHL (aka, pucks off asses)
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    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 39
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    Why does Marner continually get compared to Matthews in salaries? 8.5m Draisaitl and 6.67 Pasternak are just as relevant. Or the league's MVP Kucherov starts a 9.5m contract this season.
    Admitting Marner wants that Matthews comparison, but it's really irrelevant. Even in arbitration, comparables are made league wide, not just for specific teams.

    Why would the Leafs want any compensation in return for the fired Babcock. It's not possible that Babcock is traded.
    That's too much to give for Subban. And doubtful if Zaitsev can be traded without taking cap money back in exchange.
    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 41
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    The thing is, it won't. No other team will sit there with an offer, and Marner wouldn't dare sit the year


    We'll see. As I've said, I don't see any reason for Marner to not get a $10,5M contract, but I can't predict the future. If TOR can keep Marner with $9,5M AAV, it'd be a lottery win for them.
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    Are those the whole career numbers? Because this year the numbers are 1,15 compared to 1,07 in Marner's favor.

    I agree that Matthews is better player. But he should not be getting over $2M more than Marner. The difference is not that big.


    Here is why I am worried, as a Leafs fan (career):
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    And ofc this year only:
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    Are those the whole career numbers? Because this year the numbers are 1,15 compared to 1,07 in Marner's favor.

    I agree that Matthews is better player. But he should not be getting over $2M more than Marner. The difference is not that big.


    And just one more:
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    26 avr. 2019 à 15 h 50
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    And just one more:
    Career
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    Season
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    Can you explain what those abbreviations stand for (Off_GF, Off_xG Off_CF, Def_xG Def_CF etc)? English is not my first language so I'm not entirely sure what they mean lol
    26 avr. 2019 à 16 h 2
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    Modifié 26 avr. 2019 à 16 h 9
    Quoting: BurgerBoss
    Can you explain what those abbreviations stand for (Off_GF, Off_xG Off_CF, Def_xG Def_CF etc)? English is not my first language so I'm not entirely sure what they mean lol


    Just a note, the higher the bar is (in blue) the better. The lower the bar is (in red), the worse. As long as you are blue in that category, you are contributing, if you are red, you are a net negative in that category.

    OFF_GF is offensive goals for (Think results/how many goals you contributed to that went in). If there is a large difference between this number, and the other OFF numbers, the player is overperforming their play/getting lucky (if OFF_GF is larger), or underperforming if the OFF_GF is lower than the other two OFF.
    As an example, Marner is dramatically overperforming his play, while Willy dramatically underperformed his play this year.

    OFF_xG is Offensive expected goals. This is how many goals you are expected to score.

    OFF_CF is offensive corsi for. This is how strong you are in terms of possession (corsi). Its how much you have the puck, and get it into the other teams end.

    Def_xG is how many goals you were expected to have caused the other team to score (the Def scales are reversed, so higher up the chart is still better).

    Def_CF is how often you allowed the other team to control possession, (or more simply stated as) how often you allowed the other team to take the puck and make a play in your end (the Def scales are reversed, so higher up the chart is still better).
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    Can you explain what those abbreviations stand for (Off_GF, Off_xG Off_CF, Def_xG Def_CF etc)? English is not my first language so I'm not entirely sure what they mean lol


    One more lol:
    I figured out why Matthews got more than Eichel and used the McDavid comparison (career)...
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    26 avr. 2019 à 16 h 10
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    @Jordan_bloom124 someone was listening to the Steve Dangle Podcast wink

    Also, "Buffalo is the only team with a head coaching vacancy".. Ottawa, Edmonton, Buffalo, and Anaheim all need head coaches. Edmonton would be all over him if he was available
     
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