Taylor Hall won the Hart...

I like how he suggests nylander and Hall were ever on the same level.

Lol. That's not what I said at all. & exactly, Hall won the Hart. So I was saying that you don't sell low on talented players for a positional need like Edmonton did with Hall. So Toronto wouldn't sell low on Nylander because he "doesn't have the points to justify $7M" right now, just for a positional need. That's poor management and that's exactly why Edmonton is where they are today.

Part of the reason the Blackhawks won 3 cups is because of good cap management. (It's also how they're falling off the planet now, but that doesn't take away 3 cups) You don't give people money before it's earned. Toews/Kane each made $6.3M per year for a while until they earned the money. BOTH Toews/Kane are obviously in a different class than William Nylander, but still Nylander get's $7M a year? He's been paid before he's done anything. That's poor management too. AND yes when you're comparing the Taylor Hall and Adam Larsson trade...you're comparing the quality of each of those players in a trade VS the quality of Big Willie and Murph in a trade. is Adam Larsson >> Connor Murphy? NO. Is Taylor Hall >> William Nylander? YES.

I am ending talks with this little kid. I know 2 good Toronto fans, and neither of them are in this thread.

Nylander and Hall are 2 completely different players. Nylander is getting overpaid on a contract that he is not even close to worth.

No, it isn't. The Leafs get zero help from this trade. They don't have a use for any one of Murphy, Forsberg or Mitchell

So you are saying a guy who has 6 Goals and 20 Assists in 49 Games is worth more than Mitchell a top prospect, a great Goalie Prospect and a depth Defenseman which is what Toronto needs because you guys lose to teams like the Blues with the defense you have/ I watch Toronto games. I'm not so sure you do. I think you just think everyone on Toronto is better than everyone from every other team.

So the Leafs don't need RHD guys? Really?

Murphy sucks. That's just what it is. @jonesryan is right.

Don't blame you; he heats up quickly on people and then cries fowl when someone gives it back to him.

Murphy won't solve their problems, if anything, he's a watered down Zaitsev.

Best D guy on the Hawks this season as supported by stats; better then Keith, Gus, etc. Either factually support a statement like "Murphy sucks" or your posts won't be taken seriously which in your case is often the case.

The Leafs don't need Murphy. He's Zaitsev but a little less garbage

Please show me a single stat that shows that Murphy is good.

He has a +11 defensive threat. That ain't good, and most of the shots that opposing teams get against him when he's on the ice come from very high danger areas.

But yeah, try to prove that he's good.

This not even close value for Nylander. Murphy is trash and Mitchell is really the only good piece, Nylander has way more value than Mitchell.

Look in the mirror before you call out other people for overvaluing players.

Let's not forget you legitimately think Schenn is better than Barkov

go back to playing chess.

No need to try, Murphy's work is doing the talking

https://sportsmockery.com/2019/03/connor-murphy-has-evolved-into-the-blackhawks-best-defenseman/

https://blackhawkup.com/2019/03/17/chicago-blackhawks-connor-murphy-good-season/

The Athletic, probably the best analysts for Hockey, also did a good write up on him recently so you can search for it if you are subscriber.

Problem is we aren't looking at it from that perspective we are looking at it on how much Nylander is worth and with how he has played it doesn't look like much, and it's a shame with the talent the team has.

I am I have Missouri Scholastic Chess Championship Saturday. I can send you a pick if you want when I win.

yea, I should totally believe a Blackhawks based website for unbiased reporting. Even then, most of the stats the use still show him as being below league average. :

The 2nd article doesn't mean anything. It just shows that he's being deployed the most and being the best defender on Chicago (one of the worst defensive teams in the league this year) means nothing.

They explain the reasons for his stats. That's the problem, if you don't watch the games, you don't know and only look at a stat sheet and anyone who knows anything about the game, knows stats are a good starting place but a bad way to evaluate a player solely on. Very common problem for fans and seen on this website daily.

Case and point; it's amazing how any fan that see the Hawks a couple times a year and that's it, or any team, think they know that teams players. Toronto fans, Pens fans and Caps fans acting like they know Murphy and probably have watched the Hawks play 2 games this year. Ask a fan of another team that plays against the Hawks regularly if you don't want to trust any Blackhawks fans or beat writers; when Murphy is on the ice, he's been covering constantly for his partners (Forsling, Dahlstrom, and even Keith). He's been without a shadow of a doubt, the best defender on the Hawks (grant it bad defensive team) but a solid 2nd line option for all but the deepest defensive teams which Toronto is clearly weak at defense.

How does a defender, on one of the worst defensive teams in the league with the most high danger shots against, go a +15 especially playing the 1st line penalty kill and not the 1st line power play? His main 5 on 5 partner this season, Dahlstrom has been pretty awful and the only reason his stats look somewhat decent as a NHL player is due to Murphy; one can only know that watching game in and game out. Simply put, stats don't paint the whole picture. Same goes for Nylander because on stats alone, the guy isn't worth more then $3.5M a year. Now the debate is, is he worth $7M and I think most agree based on his production and role the answer so far this season is no.

Assuming you a big hockey fan and willing to fork up $20 a year, get a subscription to the Athletic which is one of the best, most in depth, places to get a proper analysis of a player without purely looking at stats.

Ur letting recency bias get to you, Nylander is really good, don't let the whole contract fiasco distract you from his skill. He may not be worth his $ rn, but he's still a core piece moving forward for the leafs. Terrible trade imo for the leafs and I like Ian Mitchell