I am certain it would take more to get Manson but this would be pretty awesome.

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I actually think this is pretty fair value

A little undervalued???? Would you do sprong and kase for Reilly??? Lmao get out of here

Comparing Manson to the #1 Norris candidate? lmao

He’s not the #1 Norris candidate lol. And last year Manson was better then Rielly haha. This is Rielly’s breakout season (clearly) Manson is MUCH better in his own end then Reilly. Obviously Rielly is a better hockey player than Manson due to his offensive potential, but kase+ sprong is also a better package than Johnsson+Brown so....

lol come on exaggerate much.... Manson is the third best defender on the ducks.... Reilly is in the top three in the league this season.

The package is for Bracco not brown. Although they may be near the same value at the moment. I would elect to keep bracco.

Just to make things perfectluly clear I value Johnsson the same as kapanen so if you were to substitute him in there and that makes you feel better about the deal then you can just do so.

My theory on your analogy Johnson>sprong or kase... bracco=spring and kase value wise. And Reilly>Manson(value wise)

I will use kappy in my trade proposal since he is the one of the two that seems to get fair value and we are very deep on the RW.

Kapanen
liljegren
3rd round pick

If they want Lilly think we would need montour back rather than Manson is my personal opinion. We are giving up a lot of years of control in this deal and montour’s age fits our core better.

I’d say Manson is their best D, he’s a 40 point shut down beast. Last year he was phenomenal. This year everyone sucks. Rielly, while playing amazing, isn’t good enough defensively and doesn’t play enough minutes to be considered a “top 3 D”

Johnson isn’t worth as much as Kap. You may think so, but majority of people would beg to differ. I could value Guzental just as much as marner, doesn’t mean it’s right.
My value, which once again would be popular opinion this site:
Kase>Johnsson
Sprong>Bracco

This trade is miles off. I’m buddies with Rodzik IRL and when he posted it I screenshot it, put it in our GC, and everyone laughed at him, even fellow leafs fans. It ain’t close haha

Stop being biased, gio is way ahead of rielly

No I agree the deal is light for sure but Manson has never put up a 40 point season..,

Reilly is a back to back 50 point player who is solid defensively. Not sure where that is coming from. Reilly has almost triple the points of Manson with one extra season.

This whole Reilly is not a top pairing Dman has got to go away. He has done all this with a corpse for a partner.

You can say what you want about kapanen=Johnsson but from watching them play the only differences I see is kappy is a bit faster and Johnsson was snake bitten the first 18 games of the season. Just bad luck, he made a lot of goaltenders work. Kappy has 38 points in 100 games and Johnsson has 24points in 49 games so even at ppg he is doing better than kappy.

To me Johnsson May be more valuable as a left handed forward as far as team needs.


The deal is for sure light even mine may be a bit light but that is really all I would give up for Manson other than maybe a 1st rather than a third but at that point you’re at 3 first round picks.... that has to be tops....might as well just send out an offersheet lol.

Yup I would say so at this point he has been a beast lately. Good all season but lately he is on fire. Then again I still say burns over both so...

@mhockey91 also forgot

1.Fowler
2.lindholm
3.manson/montour

I never said Reilly isn’t a #1D, I said he’s not a top 3 in this league haha. He puts up a lot of points obviously but he doesn’t play enough minutes: averages around 22 mins I believe? And his shot/goal suppression is nothing to brag about. Like I said, obviously Rielly is better than manson, but Manson is a great player, who could fetch A LOT more then what Rodzik purposed. He’s a relatively young, top pairing RHD signed to a great contract. It would cost you MUCH more than what Rodzik purposed. That’s all I’m saying. If he was actually available, there would be MANY good offers involving a first round pick + top prospect. there is a shortage of RHD’s. Teams would pay a premium. I’m taking Manson wayyyyyyyyyyy over larsson, and Larson got hall so... another example: look what Dougie Hamilton coasted.

Ducks D is very close. You can argue All 3 of them at #1. They all play similar minutes too. It just depends what season. Id probably go Lindholm/Manson, then Fowler

If it was me it would be
1. Lindholm
2. Manson
3. Fowler
4. Montour

I don’t see it as “much more” I try to think of realistic trades not cap friendly ones. They are much less exciting in real life.

Please see: every trade on cap friendly compared to what that player actually fetched.

And as for reilly’s Shot suppression.... Hainsey.... enough said lol. I don’t pay as much attention to shot suppression as I do the eye test. If shots are coming in because leafs are playing bad team defence then I don’t put it on Reilly. He does a great job in his own end.... even with hainsey’s lifeless corpse chained to him.

Same

Dude, Manson is a legit #1RHD. Rodzik offered: a 3rd liner, a AHL RW with limited NHL potential, and a 2nd.
It just doesn’t add up

So a 1st/2nd liner on the leafs is a 3rd liner.... Bracco who has zero nhl experience is already limited (he looks pretty damn good to me I would say a lock for top 9 potential and possibly top 6, excellent vision and play making) i’m Actually excited to see him have a chance next season.

And like I’ve already said it is not enough. Are we 2 1st rounders short.... no. Better pick and a prospect with more pedigree, liljegren would be less needed if we pick up an rhd with term. Don’t like Johnsson take kappy. Works either way for me. Ducks get younger and a first round puck that has potential. They also get faster and more scoring. Move montour up to first pair and sign a ufa or trade for a decent 2nd pair guy and get the team closer to competitive.

I don’t see the point in doubling a players value due to position. If any position it would be centre, it’s a tough job.

Now this is a **** trade https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/984540

Dude, Johnsson is not a top 6 forward haha. Take him off the leafs and throw him on a team with limited offence and see how he does. Bracco a top 9 forward? Gimme a break. You’re offering a whole lot of nothing

Have you even seen any marlies games this season? I said the same thing about kapanen this year and all I heard was the same thing your saying here. Je’s A fourth liner and trash. Grundstrom Moore and bracco are our three strongest prospects on the marlies. If it wasn’t for our offensive depth they would all be nhlr’s this season.

O offered up stats on Johnsson and how much better they are then kapanen’s but you just look right passed it. I’m not trying to say that either Johnsson or kappy are going to be elite, just good solid hard working 40-60 point guys. I don’t think the gap is that huge between them. Personally I don’t think it really exists at all.

And once again I said the deal is a bit light but to under value players and call them nothing is just wrong. Over valuing Manson and under valuing prospects and players sure does make thisvtrade look a lot worse. But you take out bracco and add Lilly and change the 2nd to a first and I would say it is a good starting point.

I don’t think Johnson is anything special and he is just a product of his team. No way he ever touches 60 points, and I highly doubt bracco will ever be an nhl regular. Not sold on either of those guys. Johnsson looks better cause of his team. He’s a third liner, 30-40 point guy At his best imo. Even kappenen has slowed down a lot since his hot start. Not even sure how high his ceiling is.

Johnsson is on pace for over 40 points in his rookie season, that’s a hell of ceiling to put on him...

He’s also 24 and playing on one of the best Offences in the league. He’ll be a good third liner imo