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BOS/CGY Trades

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Équipe: 2018-19 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 17 août 2018
Publié: 17 août 2018
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  1. Krug, Torey
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (BOS)
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CGY
  1. Kulikov, Dmitry
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (WPG)
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775 000 $775 000 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
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17 août 2018 à 10 h 39
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Kulkiov/Stone is an interesting idea
17 août 2018 à 10 h 46
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Bruins could probably get on board with that as long as he’s willing to play the left side
17 août 2018 à 10 h 48
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Kulkiov/Stone is an interesting idea


Y I did it was both teams need the opposite shot. CGY needs a LD(if Gio and Brodie play together) and WPG needs a RD. I threw in the pick as Kulikov makes a bit more.
17 août 2018 à 10 h 49
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Bruins could probably get on board with that as long as he’s willing to play the left side


Would BOS do a Trouba/Kulikov for Krug/Carlo??? so its the same LD and RD mix
17 août 2018 à 10 h 54
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Would BOS do a Trouba/Kulikov for Krug/Carlo??? so its the same LD and RD mix


absolutely not.
17 août 2018 à 10 h 56
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absolutely not.


Doesn't Carlo suck...like even u don't like him....smile
17 août 2018 à 11 h 1
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Doesn't Carlo suck...like even u don't like him....smile


all kidding aside, would you do miller??? instead of Carlo or....what are your thoughts?
17 août 2018 à 11 h 3
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all kidding aside, would you do miller??? instead of Carlo or....what are your thoughts?


Miller? Absolutely. However I still think the Bruins would need to make sure Trouba is happy playing the off side, unless they think McAvoy can do that right away. They certainly want Carlo and McAvoy in the top four, and if they're trading for Trouba they would want him in the top four too.
17 août 2018 à 11 h 7
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Miller? Absolutely. However I still think the Bruins would need to make sure Trouba is happy playing the off side, unless they think McAvoy can do that right away. They certainly want Carlo and McAvoy in the top four, and if they're trading for Trouba they would want him in the top four too.


Trouba is an excellent shutdown guy...This will give Bos a chance to use Trouba on the right with someone else for that while using Mcavoy as an offensive guy. Just like WPG did with Buf and Myers
17 août 2018 à 11 h 24
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I'm not sure the 4th rounder is enough to get CGY excited about this deal.

Stone is a useful bottom pairing right-shot guy on a cheaper deal (with same term remaining). Looking at their SKATR stats, they are about the same (https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1). The other issue here is that CGY has Kylington and Valimaki fighting for a roster spot this year and beyond on that left side.

Isn't WPG OK with running Poolman as the bottom pair RD anyways?
17 août 2018 à 11 h 29
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I like the trades for a run at the SC this year but these moves basically cripple the jets next year unless they can make some spectacular trades post season.5 players needing to be resigned (Con, Whe, Lia, Tan,Cop and a backup goalie) and only 7.5 coming off the books makes next year a GM nightmare
17 août 2018 à 11 h 29
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I'm not sure the 4th rounder is enough to get CGY excited about this deal.

Stone is a useful bottom pairing right-shot guy on a cheaper deal (with same term remaining). Looking at their SKATR stats, they are about the same (https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1). The other issue here is that CGY has Kylington and Valimaki fighting for a roster spot this year and beyond on that left side.

Isn't WPG OK with running Poolman as the bottom pair RD anyways?


Not as of yet...He may have a good training camp but....He only played in a select few games this past year
17 août 2018 à 11 h 30
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I like the trades for a run at the SC this year but these moves basically cripple the jets next year unless they can make some spectacular trades post season.5 players needing to be resigned (Con, Whe, Lia, Tan,Cop and a backup goalie) and only 7.5 coming off the books makes next year a GM nightmare


Krug is making less than Trouba...Stone is making less than Kulikov...Wadda mean???
17 août 2018 à 11 h 40
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Krug is making less than Trouba...Stone is making less than Kulikov...Wadda mean???


so make 2020 armchair jet team up and you will see
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so make 2020 armchair jet team up and you will see


Krug and Stone don't have contracts in 2020....neither do Trouba and Kulikov. I get what you are trying to say with the cap crunch soon but these trades don't add to the concern
17 août 2018 à 11 h 58
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Does not work for Bruins. I could see something like Carlo/Heinen/McQuaid for Trouba/Dano type of deal working but B’s would have to move Backes first.
17 août 2018 à 12 h 26
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Krug and Stone don't have contracts in 2020....neither do Trouba and Kulikov. I get what you are trying to say with the cap crunch soon but these trades don't add to the concern


It's possible to make this scenario fit under an 83M$ cap next season (2019-2020), but for that, it's imperative that either Little or Perreault is move for picks & prospects only (no money on the books back). By doing so, they'd be at 81.5-82M$ of cap hit. I think both these guys are playing for their future in WPG, this season.
17 août 2018 à 12 h 31
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Quoting: mcoach69
I like the trades for a run at the SC this year but these moves basically cripple the jets next year unless they can make some spectacular trades post season.5 players needing to be resigned (Con, Whe, Lia, Tan,Cop and a backup goalie) and only 7.5 coming off the books makes next year a GM nightmare


Look at the long term outlook...they have 55.3M$ invested in 2019-2020. So that gives them 27.7M$ of free cap space to resign Wheeler/Laine/Connor/Copp/Tanev/Chiarot/Brossoit/Dano (Myers is walking, 100% sure). It's doable, but only by trading either one of Little or Pearreault for picks & prospects ONLY (no money on the books in return). Not THAT hard to do. Both players are still pretty usefull.

8M$ for Wheeler, 10M$ for Laine, 6M$ for Connor, 1.5M$ for Copp, 1.7M$ for Tanev, 850K$ for Dano, 700K$ for Brossoit or E.Comrie, 1.5M$ for Chiarot. For a total of 29.25M$ (over the cap by 1.55M$). Then trade out let's say Perreault & his 4.125M$ and you're at 2.575M$ under the 83M$ cap with 22 roster players.

2.575M$ to add one player is more than enough. There you have it ?
17 août 2018 à 13 h 15
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Look at the long term outlook...they have 55.3M$ invested in 2019-2020. So that gives them 27.7M$ of free cap space to resign Wheeler/Laine/Connor/Copp/Tanev/Chiarot/Brossoit/Dano (Myers is walking, 100% sure). It's doable, but only by trading either one of Little or Pearreault for picks & prospects ONLY (no money on the books in return). Not THAT hard to do. Both players are still pretty usefull.

8M$ for Wheeler, 10M$ for Laine, 6M$ for Connor, 1.5M$ for Copp, 1.7M$ for Tanev, 850K$ for Dano, 700K$ for Brossoit or E.Comrie, 1.5M$ for Chiarot. For a total of 29.25M$ (over the cap by 1.55M$). Then trade out let's say Perreault & his 4.125M$ and you're at 2.575M$ under the 83M$ cap with 22 roster players.

2.575M$ to add one player is more than enough. There you have it ?


First of all your numbers are wrong jets have 11 players under contract for 19-20 at a cost of 48.6 or 54.1 if Morrissey is at 5.5. Then add 8 for Wheeler 10 for Lianne 6 for Connor total 24 for a grand total of 78.1 and 15 players 1.5 for Copp 1.7 for Tanev 81.3 17 players .775 for Niku is 82 for 18 players short 5 6 if either Perrsult or Little are moved doesn't quite add up in my books but if a SC is won can you suffer for a year
17 août 2018 à 18 h 13
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Quoting: jp_harvey
Look at the long term outlook...they have 55.3M$ invested in 2019-2020. So that gives them 27.7M$ of free cap space to resign Wheeler/Laine/Connor/Copp/Tanev/Chiarot/Brossoit/Dano (Myers is walking, 100% sure). It's doable, but only by trading either one of Little or Pearreault for picks & prospects ONLY (no money on the books in return). Not THAT hard to do. Both players are still pretty usefull.

8M$ for Wheeler, 10M$ for Laine, 6M$ for Connor, 1.5M$ for Copp, 1.7M$ for Tanev, 850K$ for Dano, 700K$ for Brossoit or E.Comrie, 1.5M$ for Chiarot. For a total of 29.25M$ (over the cap by 1.55M$). Then trade out let's say Perreault & his 4.125M$ and you're at 2.575M$ under the 83M$ cap with 22 roster players.

2.575M$ to add one player is more than enough. There you have it ?


Quoting: mcoach69
First of all your numbers are wrong jets have 11 players under contract for 19-20 at a cost of 48.6 or 54.1 if Morrissey is at 5.5. Then add 8 for Wheeler 10 for Lianne 6 for Connor total 24 for a grand total of 78.1 and 15 players 1.5 for Copp 1.7 for Tanev 81.3 17 players .775 for Niku is 82 for 18 players short 5 6 if either Perrsult or Little are moved doesn't quite add up in my books but if a SC is won can you suffer for a year


Look at the long term outlook...in THIS scenario, since this is what we are discussing, right?

I replied to you regarding this scenario so all my numbers are perfectly fine as well as all my calculations and moves that have to happen to make it all fit under the cap .

There's no "long term outlook" in the NHL teams cap situation link, on www.capfriendly.com...I don't understand how you could have mistaken what I was saying to you.
17 août 2018 à 18 h 34
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Look at the long term outlook...in THIS scenario, since this is what we are discussing, right?

I replied to you regarding this scenario so all my numbers are perfectly fine as well as all my calculations and moves that have to happen to make it all fit under the cap .

There's no "long term outlook" in the NHL teams cap situation link, on www.capfriendly.com...I don't understand how you could have mistaken what I am saying to you.


really go to armchair-gm make a 2019-20 jets team add the traded players and the FA and check the numbers it's math don't understand how you could have mistaken what I am saying to you
17 août 2018 à 19 h 21
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really go to armchair-gm make a 2019-20 jets team add the traded players and the FA and check the numbers it's math don't understand how you could have mistaken what I am saying to you


DUDE!!! LOOK ON THE LONG TERM OUTLOOK BUTTON ON THIS VERY ACGM IN WHICH WE ARE DEBATING. YOU'LL SEE, AT THE BOTTOM, THAT, IN THIS SCENARIO, 2019-2020 JETS HAVE 55.3M$ INVESTED IN 14 PLAYERS (AGAIN, IN THIS VERY ARM CHAIR GM WITH THE MOVES DCC94 PROPOSED). PLEASE!!!! TAKE 30 SECONDRS OF YOUR TIME AND DO WHAT I'M SAYING...YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING I SAID EARLIER MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Just do it, please...it could be so simple for you to understand the situation if you'd just look the "long-term outlook" of this very ACGM.
17 août 2018 à 19 h 40
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DUDE!!! LOOK ON THE LONG TERM OUTLOOK BUTTON ON THIS VERY ACGM IN WHICH WE ARE DEBATING. YOU'LL SEE, AT THE BOTTOM, THAT, IN THIS SCENARIO, 2019-2020 JETS HAVE 55.3M$ INVESTED IN 14 PLAYERS (AGAIN, IN THIS VERY ARM CHAIR GM WITH THE MOVES DCC94 PROPOSED). PLEASE!!!! TAKE 30 SECONDRS OF YOUR TIME AND DO WHAT I'M SAYING...YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING I SAID EARLIER MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Just do it, please...it could be so simple for you to understand the situation if you'd just look the "long-term outlook" of this very ACGM.


i did and it works out to 85.9 with 22 contracts and no GM is going to cut a team that close IMO
17 août 2018 à 20 h 10
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Look at the long term outlook...they have 55.3M$ invested in 2019-2020. So that gives them 27.7M$ of free cap space to resign Wheeler/Laine/Connor/Copp/Tanev/Chiarot/Brossoit/Dano (Myers is walking, 100% sure). It's doable, but only by trading either one of Little or Pearreault for picks & prospects ONLY (no money on the books in return). Not THAT hard to do. Both players are still pretty usefull.

8M$ for Wheeler, 10M$ for Laine, 6M$ for Connor, 1.5M$ for Copp, 1.7M$ for Tanev, 850K$ for Dano, 700K$ for Brossoit or E.Comrie, 1.5M$ for Chiarot. For a total of 29.25M$ (over the cap by 1.55M$). Then trade out let's say Perreault & his 4.125M$ and you're at 2.575M$ under the 83M$ cap with 22 roster players.

2.575M$ to add one player is more than enough. There you have it ?


Quoting: mcoach69
i did and it works out to 85.9 with 22 contracts and no GM is going to cut a team that close IMO


I made a small mistake (1M$), but it still work.

8+ 10 = 18 / 18 + 6 = 24 / 24 + 1,5 = 25,5 / 25,5 + 1,7 = 27,2 / 27,2 + 0,85 = 28,05 / 28,05 + 0.7 = 28,75 / 28,75 + 1,5 = 30,25.

That's 30,25M$ of cap hit, not 29,25M$ like I previously wrote (2.55M$ over the cap). So, by shedding Perreault's contract (4.125M$), they'd have 1.575M$ of cap space to add a rookie : say, Lemieux at 839K$, they'd then have 736K$ of cap space. That is very narrow, you're right, so they'd maybe have to move Little instead of Perreault (it would create +1.16M$ of cap space to make it 1.896M$) or try and ask Wheeler & Laine to take small pay cuts of 400-500K$ each or bridge K.Connor.

Still, it only shows that it is possible and it would/will not be "that" hard to do. They'll just face some hard decisions in a who to keep who to move sense and ask their players to sacrifice a tiny little bit of $$ for the well being of the team long term. And for the potential of keeping a team as cup contender for the foreseeable future, players tend to make those kinds of concessions (S.Stamkos & his 8.5M$ cap hit, N.Kucherov & his 9.5M$ cap hit, S.Crosby and his 8.7M$ cap hit, etc.)
17 août 2018 à 20 h 33
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Quoting: jp_harvey
I made a small mistake (1M$), but it still work.

8+ 10 = 18 / 18 + 6 = 24 / 24 + 1,5 = 25,5 / 25,5 + 1,7 = 27,2 / 27,2 + 0,85 = 28,05 / 28,05 + 0.7 = 28,75 / 28,75 + 1,5 = 30,25.

That's 30,25M$ of cap hit, not 29,25M$ like I previously wrote (2.55M$ over the cap). So, by shedding Perreault's contract (4.125M$), they'd have 1.575M$ of cap space to add a rookie : say, Lemieux at 839K$, they'd then have 736K$ of cap space. That is very narrow, you're right, so they'd maybe have to move Little instead of Perreault (it would create +1.16M$ of cap space to make it 1.896M$) or try and ask Wheeler & Laine to take small pay cuts of 400-500K$ each or bridge K.Connor.

Still, it only shows that it is possible and it would/will not be "that" hard to do. They'll just face some hard decisions in a who to keep who to move sense and ask their players to sacrifice a tiny little bit of $$ for the well being of the team long term. And for the potential of keeping a team as cup contender for the foreseeable future, players tend to make those kinds of concessions (S.Stamkos & his 8.5M$ cap hit, N.Kucherov & his 9.5M$ cap hit, S.Crosby and his 8.7M$ cap hit, etc.)

Look i never said it couldn't be done i said I like the trades for a run at the SC this year but these moves basically cripple the jets next year unless they can make some spectacular trades post season.5 players needing to be resigned (Con, Whe, Lia, Tan,Cop and a backup goalie) and only 7.5 coming off the books makes next year a GM nightmare
 
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