It turns that way when you talk out of your ass...

lmao. what exactly did I say that you disagree with?

Lol this when I said I watch all 30 teams and you cried about how convos go this way, you have disagreed with everything. Your 3rd line isn't a good 3rd line, I proved why. 3rd line is supposed to be a hard to play against checking line that can produce offence if need be and take defensive zone faceoffs. Yours can't, Bozak can win you the draw though.

We don't even know who will be on the third line! It's August bruh, don't act like you know everything...and I have disagreed with everything? Pretty much the exact opposite. I admit Jake Allen sucks, I know Bozak doesn't defend well. The only thing I took objection to was you saying that the Blues are "top-heavy" and "need more depth". Those arguments are flawed. So now you're just making up arguments and calling me a crybaby. Maybe you're mistaking me for a different Blues fan on here, but I don't go around boasting about Tyler f-ng Bozak and our dominating 3rd line, I'm not blind. I'm pretty objective when it comes to evaluating the Blues. But you seem like fun so I'll give you a couple more facts to discuss.

Barbashev sucks? It’s a small sample size (<100 NHL games for each) but Barbashev scores at a better rate than Kapanen (1.53 p/60 vs 0.86 p/60 at 5v5) and he plays center. These guys were drafted in the same year and have had similar paths to NHL… You said Barby sucks; then Kap sucks too. Oh wait, he scored a pretty SH goal in the playoffs, he must be a god.

Trade Parayko? He is one of 15 defensemen in the NHL to play at least 2,000 5-on-5 minutes the past three seasons with a Corsi-for and expected goals-for percentage above 53. Those were his first 3 seasons. Normally, you can start to judge a defenseman after 200 NHL games… he’s at 242 and among the best 2-way defensemen in the league. We moved on from Shattenkirk to balance out the lineup, we won’t trade Parayko to unbalance it again. Trading Parayko would put Schmaltz or Bortuzzo into our top four. Do we really want to do that?

Why are you using xGF for past seasons when we have actual result to look at? His actual GF% for the past 3 seasons is 53.64%, but if you look more closely it's due to having a great rookie year. In the past 2 years his actual GF% was 49.27%, which is NOT indicative of being "among the best 2-way defensemen in the league." His defensive play over the past 2 years looks like this:

2016-17: 2.11 GA/60, 84th best d-man in the league, just behind Cole, Ouellet, Methot and Beaulieu.
2017-18: 2.38 GA/60, 128th in the league, just behind Schenn, Bogosian, Hagg and Cole.

I'd say these numbers show he isn't able to handle the faster, highly skilled forwards of the league, assuming he's getting more and more elite assignments as he gets older.

His offensive play over the past 2 years looks like this:

2016-17: 2.42 GF/60, 75th in the league, just behind Del Zotto, Lindell, Yannick Weber and Methot.
2017-18: 1.97 GF/60, 194th in the league, just behind Pateryn, McCabe, Beaulieu and Emelin.

One could say that he really isn't covering his $5.5M contract at this point. Hopefully he rebounds this season, but things are trending the wrong way badly. All the hype surrounding this player is based on his first season only.

Because xGF takes into account more shot effects than GF, which is essentially just a glorified plus/minus.

Never said trade Parayko. I said one big name at some point.

Your 3rd line is all one dimensional players. Not my fault you don't see that, that isn't depth.

It seems oxymoronic to say 'we're expecting certain production' for past seasons, that's all. Real production for those seasons is known.

The argument is that his underlying metrics would suggest a positive regression moving forward. I.e. although his goal differential isn't great, given his play, you would expect those numbers to improve.

You're not listening. We don't know what the third line will look like! It almost definitely will include Bozak, but also Steen who is a good defensive forward. It could include Jaskin who has amazing shot suppression numbers as a defensive forward. It could include Fabbri who is a great play driver/possession player. It could include Maroon, who would be similar to JVR in terms of a power forward on Bozak's wing. It could include Kyrou or Thomas, who look to be pretty promising players... we just don't know. So I don't know why you're going on about how bad they are.

Parayko vs. Klefbom
cc: @MacSapintosh pic.twitter.com/kUmaf3UURT

— EvolvingWild (@EvolvingWild) June 20, 2018

Not meant to compare to Klefbom, I know he was injured for half of those games, but Parayko looks to be above average offensively and defensively based on these charts (that I don't entirely understand lol)

"RAPM attempts to isolate a player’s performance and impact, independent of both his teammates and opponents. In other words, RAPM measures a player’s actual contribution to his team in the various statistic being discussed (e.g. shot attempts, expected goals and goal differential) by stripping out factors outside of the player’s control, such as the strength of his teammates and strength of his opponents. This is a far superior version to the team relative statistics (usually simply referred to as “relative” statistics) that you see thrown around Twitter and other channels, and standard relative metrics simply illustrate how a team does while a player is on the ice compared to off, which of course can be greatly influenced by the other players on the ice with the player."

https://www.blueshirtsbreakaway.com/2018/07/11/introducing-a-new-hockey-analysis-resource-evolvingwilds-website/

Shut up. You have no clue. Apparently Tarasenko and Schwartz are a “ghost” and “disappointing” only disappointing cause you aren’t able to get them so shut the hell up.

Tarasenko and Schwartz? I'll Take Matthews and Marner over them anyday. Even Matthews and Nylander, Matthews Tavares etc.

Did you just compare Maroon to JVR? LMAO I am done. Maroon has a quarter of the skill JVR has

Ok take inexperience>Experience. Take a player go ******* about ice time over a player who drives the play well. That your choice.

I don't think I'm angry. It's just one of those things where the blues are coming from a position of strength, as the Leafs would have to be asking for Parayko. Therefore the Blues would set a high price tag. If the Leafs don't match the price tag, the Blues are fine with not moving Parayko. That's logical. No one thinks Parayko is Karlsson value in a vacuum. We're not operating in a vacuum though.



You should open the images I sent, because you're just ignoring my argument if you don't look at them lol.

Re-read the first five words again, skippy.

I understand - I'm not sure why you can't. Also, don't call people skippy unless you are actually looking to come off as a condescending person.

So we're at a bit of a standstill because you "can't" open the images.

Hey skippy, you’re still willfully being ignorant of my point. Go back and, if you can, read my posts. If nothing to my point to add, just keep your fingers to yourself and go back under your bridge.

Your pictures are meaningless here. I’m not saying he’s a bad player. In fact, I think he’s a good player. But you’re still not getting a Karlsson package for him.

Well the pictures were meant for CD282 - so you might want to make sure you've actually managed to switch between your accounts before responding.

Accounts? No burner accounts for me. Still missing the point.

LOL. "I put this on the internet but I really only want one guy to see it"

They were pertinent to our argument. It's all good lol. I don't think we're going to manage to agree on anything. It happens.



I'm not missing the point. It's fine - you don't think Parayko is Nylander (even if there are other pieces involved) and I do. Not sure we'll end up agreeing as I said to CD282 as well.

Edit: looking by something like Game Score/60 over the past 2 years and filtering by TOI (having a minimum of 1000 minutes) he is top 25-30. Position of strength + top pair ability + favorable contract with term = high return.

Still missing the point. Nothing I said or did has anything to do with quality of players. I set very specific conditions, that you’re ignoring.

I'm not ignoring the conditions lol. I'm saying that the conditions set make no sense. Even if it was a 1st + Liljegren + Kapanen it's a no. You have conditions, I'm saying that there's no deal within those conditions. That's the answer lol. And again, talking about the quality of players was for CD282.