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If this isn't a contender than what is?

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Équipe: 2018-19 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2018
Publié: 17 juin 2018
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This team is pretty BOSS ....

The trades with Montreal and Carolina are really made it happen.... The those trades are fanatic deals for both clubs ....

Lets start off with the Habs who need centers BTW.....Of course in this trade they get (2) Anismov & Jesperi Kotkaniemi who by all accounts is who the Habs want.... Why take him at #3 when the Hawks will give you a legitimate #2-3 center for pick 8 where you could grab the guy easily ...

That trade makes perfect sense especially when you consider Bergervin and Bowman have done several trades over the last few seasons .... So I could really see a move like this making sense for both teams .... Especially if the Hawks will ensure you're getting the player you wanted all along while getting a legitimate #2 center and a winger with some upside in Duclair just because the Hawks loss is a Habs gain in this situation.

The Carolina trade - it's a little more delicate, but favors the Canes once again.... Darling or Faulk either or with 1,500,0000 retained for Saad, Forsling #27 in this draft or a First round pick in 2019 and the RFA rights to Ivan Nalimov (who I have been following BTW, this kid has some legitimate potential to be a super-star goalie if you take your time with the guy....

I know, I expect to be flamed on the trade proposals but if you sit back and actually think about teem needs and what's good for the Habs and then Canes - if you know those teams and their needs it's really not too bad (er bad at all)... lol...

In my proposed deal - we know the Habs need centers - They get Anisimov and Jesperi Kotkaniemi the best center in the draft and then some just to swap picks ...

These deals make perfect sense based on team needs ...
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
112 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Kovalchuk, Ilya
15 500 000 $
Svechnikov, Andrei
3950 000 $
Dobson, Noah
3950 000 $
14 000 000 $
11 750 000 $
1750 000 $
11 000 000 $
32 500 000 $
Voynov, Slava
11 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
CHI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Hawks get Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk or Dobson.
MTL
  1. Anisimov, Artem
  2. Duclair, Anthony
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
w/#8 the Habs can take i Kotkaniemi,, and on top of that the Habs get Anisimov who is a legit #-2-3 center with elite talent only a veteran hockey fan could recognize.
Oh and you can have Duclair too..... really fast, epic skills but the kid cant finish ...... He's kinda like Versteeg , just not with the points..... Certainly a project but if Duclair could get it together and finish and get his game together - he would be a dynamic player, but as of right now his feet are faster than his hockey IQ... Truth is Duclair could be the "Phil Esposito" of this deal (completely different type of players bit I think Duclair has an upside where if he figures it out he could be a 70 point player ........ Yea it's a long shot bit - the potential is there .
2.
CHI
  1. Darling, Scott
  2. Faulk, Justin (1 500 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Forsling, Gustav
  2. Saad, Brandon
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
UFA rights to (G) Ivan Nalimov......(this guy will be a stud in the NHL)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2681 000 000 $71 883 045 $1 232 500 $1 907 500 $9 116 955 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Kovalchuk, Ilya
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
Toews, Jonathan
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
DeBrincat, Alex
778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Svechnikov, Andrei
950 000 $950 000 $
Schmaltz, Nick
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
Kane, Patrick
2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Hayden, John
750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Bozak, Tyler
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Sikura, Dylan
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1
Exempté du ballottageEjdsell, Victor
833 750 $833 750 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Nash, Riley
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Hinostroza, Vinnie
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Martinsen, Andreas
650 000 $650 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Vermette, Antoine
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA
Wingels, Tommy
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Faulk, Justin
2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Crawford, Corey
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Moore, John
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
Voynov, Slava
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
Darling, Scott
4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Dobson, Noah
950 000 $950 000 $
Seabrook, Brent
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 6
Gustafsson, Erik
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Murphy, Connor
3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
Rutta, Jan
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Hossa, Marián
5 275 000 $5 275 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 3

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17 juin 2018 à 10 h 4
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Pass from Carolina. You’ll need a lot more to pry #2 (Svechnikov) from them.
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17 juin 2018 à 10 h 5
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Still looking like a first round match up with jets or preds without home ice
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 10
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Don't think they would give up a future 30-40 goal scorer for the next 10 years for two guys who won't be with them beyond 3 years...
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 10
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So Hawks get a backup for Crawford, solid Top 4 Dman At 3M and the 2nd overall pick for an overpaid second liner, a young middle pairing defenseman and an undetermined first rounder? Carolina laughs at you and hangs up the phone.

Also that’s not enough to trade up for Montreal, you’re moving back 6 picks and only acquiring an overpaid third liner and the only decent piece is Duclair which isn’t that great either.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 11
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Easy no from Canes. Habs do that but Kotkaniemi may not be there at 8. They’d make the 3rd pick and see what happens.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 16
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Quoting: Mikemathis555
Pass from Carolina. You’ll need a lot more to pry #2 (Svechnikov) from them.


That is terrible logic........Ok, then I'll take on of your D for fee... Got a problem there eh? Waive van Riemsdyk....
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 19
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I really like the “Nalimov will be a stud” comment. Please elaborate how you come to that conclusion.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 24
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Instead of looking how this benefits the Hawks look how it benefits the teams getting assets from the Hawks....

I addressed every teams needs in those hypothetical trades...

Montreal needs centers....... They get 2

Carolina has too much D..... So they have to make a trade or put a guy like TVR on waivers and the Hawks will certainly claim him....
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 26
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I've been trying to limit the word count on my explanations of trades. If you have to explain it, it might not happen. But also, if you explain it too much, without giving the reason it actually might happen, you look clueless.

How do you write over 100 words on why MTL might should trade for Anthonly DuClair without including the only reason they would actually consider trading for him: Domi.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 26
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Instead of looking how this benefits the Hawks look how it benefits the teams getting assets from the Hawks....

I addressed every teams needs in those hypothetical trades...

Montreal needs centers....... They get 2

Carolina has too much D..... So they have to make a trade or put a guy like TVR on waivers and the Hawks will certainly claim him....


So you think that just because CAR might need to move a D man that they are going to just say “fk it” and give up the 2nd OA pick to do so? Many teams would be interested in Faulk and would take him without the 2OA attached.

This in no way gives Carolina what they need...a starting goalie!
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 27
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I really like the “Nalimov will be a stud” comment. Please elaborate how you come to that conclusion.


I think it means he thinks hes cute?
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17 juin 2018 à 10 h 28
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Quoting: HawksFan28
Instead of looking how this benefits the Hawks look how it benefits the teams getting assets from the Hawks....

I addressed every teams needs in those hypothetical trades...

Montreal needs centers....... They get 2

Carolina has too much D..... So they have to make a trade or put a guy like TVR on waivers and the Hawks will certainly claim him....


terrible logic. Montreal needs centers so they rip their arm out for a cap dump? Carolina is in a position of strength so they throw that away PLUS the second overall and their goaltender to acquire.. Saad? who is certainly not better than Skinner? that alone is 1/5, -2 for signing Voynov. this brings us to -1/5
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 29
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I really like the “Nalimov will be a stud” comment. Please elaborate how you come to that conclusion.


Look at his KHL numbers ....... I think he had a .939 sv % his past season.....

The Kid has decent size and has proven himself in the KHL, he wants a trade because he wants to be an NHL backup or at least an AHL starter.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 30
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Look at his KHL numbers ....... I think he had a .939 sv % his past season.....

The Kid has decent size and has proven himself in the KHL, he wants a trade because he wants to be an NHL backup or at least an AHL starter.


I didn’t realize that the definition of a stud goalie included a backup and AHL starter.
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17 juin 2018 à 10 h 32
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So you think that just because CAR might need to move a D man that they are going to just say “fk it” and give up the 2nd OA pick to do so? Many teams would be interested in Faulk and would take him without the 2OA attached.

This in no way gives Carolina what they need...a starting goalie!


NO..... Funny how you never mentioned Faulk or Saad or Forsling or First Round picks.....

Speaks volumes reallly.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 33
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I didn’t realize that the definition of a stud goalie included a backup and AHL starter.


Well if you knew anything about the NHL and developing goalies you would know you cant throw a goalie to the wolves in 2018.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 34
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NO..... Funny how you never mentioned Faulk or Saad or Forsling or First Round picks.....

Speaks volumes reallly.


Why would CAR want Saad or Forsling or anything you are giving them here?
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 35
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Well if you knew anything about the NHL and developing goalies you would know you cant throw a goalie to the wolves in 2018.


Stud goalies...

Price, Holtby, Fleury, Rinne, Vasilevskiy, Hellebyuck...not Nalimov
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17 juin 2018 à 10 h 38
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Why would CAR want Saad or Forsling or anything you are giving them here?


Saad, they might take... since he can score 30 goals when he plays with a center who's got more skill than leadership.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 41
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Quoting: Eli
Saad, they might take... since he can score 30 goals when he plays with a center who's got more skill than leadership.


Yes but Svechnikov can likely do that and more.
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 43
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terrible logic. Montreal needs centers so they rip their arm out for a cap dump? Carolina is in a position of strength so they throw that away PLUS the second overall and their goaltender to acquire.. Saad? who is certainly not better than Skinner? that alone is 1/5, -2 for signing Voynov. this brings us to -1/5


A cap dump?

Anisimov is an extremely skilled player...

Anisimov is no "cap dump" - I just don't think he fits the Hawks game ...... He'd be perfect for the Habs tho.

Look you can have Anisimov, Duclair, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and 3rd round pick OR you can have .Svechnikov or Zadina.... Perhaps Tkachuk or Dobson...
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 49
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Stud goalies...

Price, Holtby, Fleury, Rinne, Vasilevskiy, Hellebyuck...not Nalimov


How do you know?

All those dude were in Nalimov's position at one point... Funny how you leave out a few young goalies making a name for themselves .......... As a goalie myself I kinda resent your words..
17 juin 2018 à 10 h 52
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How do you know?

All those dude were in Nalimov's position at one point... Funny how you leave out a few young goalies making a name for themselves .......... As a goalie myself I kinda resent your words..


All these goalies were in his situation? Seriously man, just stop!

Actually I am going to stop before I call you what you are and get banned.
17 juin 2018 à 11 h 2
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Quoting: Eli
Saad, they might take... since he can score 30 goals when he plays with a center who's got more skill than leadership.

Waddell
This is why it would be funny to see an alleged "hockey fan" GM a team........ Perhaps Waddell should give his job up to one "lucky fan" and let the dolt GM the team for a year....

Of course Poor Donny would never want to come back after that......Who can GM a team with Tavares, Karlsson Carlson and Neal for good measure all signed long term..mmmmm.
17 juin 2018 à 11 h 4
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Modifié 17 juin 2018 à 11 h 10
Quoting: DirtyDangles
All these goalies were in his situation? Seriously man, just stop!

Actually I am going to stop before I call you what you are and get banned.


Yeah because that why you take Trevor Kidd over Bodeaur .......

You stop, you're lack of the game is really showing ..... Every great goalie that was ever drafted (or not drafted) in the modern era were LATE ROUND PICKS that took time to develop or were ready to kick ass right off the bat like Hasek - an international star in his own right........ but WTF do I know about goalies.... lol
 
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