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Hows the value? EDM/MTL

Créé par: SankFeravalli
Équipe: 2017-18 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 12 mai 2018
Publié: 12 mai 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Galchenyuk has scored more points that Nugent-Hopkins in four of the last six seasons, but it's been close each year. For their careers, their points per game are similar. RNH is at 0.68 while Galchenyuk is at 0.61. But as a center and with his solid two-way play, Nugent-Hopkins makes a bigger impact on the ice.
Transactions
EDM
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Edmonton gets a skilled winger to play with McDavid, and moves up from 10 to 4, where they can take another winger who can play right away (Zadina or Tkachuk) or a stud defenseman (Boqvist, Bouchard, or Hughes).
MTL
  1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Montreal is in desperate need of a center, but there isn't a center worth taking at #4. The get Nugent-Hopkins who can immediately be their top center, and they have the chance to take another center or a defenseman at 10. Players who could be available include Kotkaniemi, Veleno, Smith, and Dobson. Edmonton includes the Islanders 2019 3rd to balance the value.
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2019
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2375 000 000 $61 859 498 $825 000 $7 725 000 $13 140 502 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 3
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
AD
UFA - 2
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 6
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 8
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ (Bonis de performance200 000 $$200K)
AG, C
UFA - 1
675 000 $675 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
1 950 000 $1 950 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
725 000 $725 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
700 000 $700 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 4
4 166 666 $4 166 666 $
G
NMC
UFA - 2
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
DD
UFA - 1
1 062 500 $1 062 500 $
G
UFA - 2
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 1
700 000 $700 000 $
DG, AG
UFA - 1

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12 mai 2018 à 15 h 51
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Habs have the 3rd pick not the 4th. And no I wouldn't do the trade the difference between RNH and Galchenyuk is not 7 spots and a third. Id rather draft Zadina and trade Patches
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12 mai 2018 à 15 h 54
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Quoting: Jbarah10
Habs have the 3rd pick not the 4th. And no I wouldn't do the trade the difference between RNH and Galchenyuk is not 7 spots and a third. Id rather draft Zadina and trade Patches


I would only make that trade for the 3rd pick as there is a drop off in the talent after that. Other than Tkachuk who i dont think the oilers should take all other forwards who could go at 4-5 may still be around at 10 (like Wahlstrom)
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 1
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I think the value is reasonably fair and would probably benefit both teams. That said, I'm not convinced it's the best offer the Habs could get for Galchenyuk and the #3 pick. I suspect the Kings, Ducks and Devils would be among the teams that would be able/willing to offer more.
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 8
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If I’m MTL I’d pass on that trade. I think Nugent Hopkins is over rated. When he centered Hall and Eberle he broke 50 points two seasons in a row but wasn’t good enough for them to win, after that he dwindled. He had less then 40 two years in a row while playing center and only improved this year while playing beside McDavid.

Galchenyuk has fought against management his entire career and been ridiculously misused in Montreal because of his ‘defensive play’ and still puts up over 40 a year.

Honestly the biggest threat when trading with Edmonton is the fact that what RNH does with McDavid he isn’t going to do anywhere else. If you pay a premium o get him (which this definitely is) your not getting a player that can actually handle being a top line center and hasn’t even really proven he be a top 2 center in this league, while Edmonton gets a player they will know can play on their top line and handle those responsibilities because their responsibilities are going to be as big on that team with McDavid and Draistle
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 18
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If I’m MTL I’d pass on that trade. I think Nugent Hopkins is over rated. When he centered Hall and Eberle he broke 50 points two seasons in a row but wasn’t good enough for them to win, after that he dwindled. He had less then 40 two years in a row while playing center and only improved this year while playing beside McDavid.

Galchenyuk has fought against management his entire career and been ridiculously misused in Montreal because of his ‘defensive play’ and still puts up over 40 a year.

Honestly the biggest threat when trading with Edmonton is the fact that what RNH does with McDavid he isn’t going to do anywhere else. If you pay a premium o get him (which this definitely is) your not getting a player that can actually handle being a top line center and hasn’t even really proven he be a top 2 center in this league, while Edmonton gets a player they will know can play on their top line and handle those responsibilities because their responsibilities are going to be as big on that team with McDavid and Draistle


Hahaha
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 19
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Hahaha


Am I wrong? And if so please educate
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 20
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Am I wrong? And if so please educate


No, I just love reading your comments smile
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 24
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Quoting: Jbarah10
Habs have the 3rd pick not the 4th. And no I wouldn't do the trade the difference between RNH and Galchenyuk is not 7 spots and a third. Id rather draft Zadina and trade Patches


What this guy said
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 28
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Am I wrong? And if so please educate


Allow me...

Maybe RNH isn't the point per game center that Edmonton thought they were getting when they drafted him. That's all right. But, if he proved that he can play on McDavid's wing, and that he can also be a serviceable center if needed, then why would they all of the sudden move him for a winger who hasn't proven that he can do either of those things? Also, if you're giving Gally the benefit of the doubt re: Management misusing him, then I think you should look at the other side when it comes to the Nuge being a 150 lb 18 year old being put on the top line and getting banged around for a couple of years instead of letting him grow (2016-2017 was his first full season). The same can be said for most of the other Oilers picks for that matter.
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 30
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You're just terribly misinformed. He's a winger now. He has no reason to play centre. Draisaitl and mcdavid can play that. Rnh can actually finish a play. Not like maroon or hall on McDavid's wing lol
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 33
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Allow me...

Maybe RNH isn't the point per game center that Edmonton thought they were getting when they drafted him. That's all right. But, if he proved that he can play on McDavid's wing, and that he can also be a serviceable center if needed, then why would they all of the sudden move him for a winger who hasn't proven that he can do either of those things? Also, if you're giving Gally the benefit of the doubt re: Management misusing him, then I think you should look at the other side when it comes to the Nuge being a 150 lb 18 year old being put on the top line and getting banged around for a couple of years instead of letting him grow (2016-2017 was his first full season). The same can be said for most of the other Oilers picks for that matter.


Well that's what happens when you play in a really Strong division. It's a friggin meat grinder
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 36
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You're just terribly misinformed. He's a winger now. He has no reason to play centre. Draisaitl and mcdavid can play that. Rnh can actually finish a play. Not like maroon or hall on McDavid's wing lol


Ok but we are comparing trade values here. And in my opinion Galchenyuk and 3rd overall is an over payment for RNH and 10th overall. How am I miss informed? When he was a center the past two seasons he was under 40 points, on Mcdavids wing he ended up with 48. Galchenyuk got more points playing on Jacob De la roses wing....

I don’t know what your trying to argue me on here
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 37
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Well that's what happens when you play in a really Strong division. It's a friggin meat grinder


Yeah, probably didn't need to rush him to the Show. Obviously Yamamoto and RNH aren't the same player, but it was nice to see them make the call to send him back to junior. He's 159 lbs. Let the kid put some meat on his bones!
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 38
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Allow me...

Maybe RNH isn't the point per game center that Edmonton thought they were getting when they drafted him. That's all right. But, if he proved that he can play on McDavid's wing, and that he can also be a serviceable center if needed, then why would they all of the sudden move him for a winger who hasn't proven that he can do either of those things? Also, if you're giving Gally the benefit of the doubt re: Management misusing him, then I think you should look at the other side when it comes to the Nuge being a 150 lb 18 year old being put on the top line and getting banged around for a couple of years instead of letting him grow (2016-2017 was his first full season). The same can be said for most of the other Oilers picks for that matter.


Ok but Galchenyuk has proven he can put produce RNH with worst players on his line. And Galchenyuk did the same thing, he played from the time he was 18 till now, actually almost played the same amount of games in his career while being a year younger.
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12 mai 2018 à 16 h 43
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Ok but Galchenyuk has proven he can put produce RNH with worst players on his line. And Galchenyuk did the same thing, he played from the time he was 18 till now, actually almost played the same amount of games in his career while being a year younger.


So...keep him?
12 mai 2018 à 16 h 49
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So...keep him?


That’s my whole arguement in this discussion lol I was saying why I wouldn’t do that trade. Edmonton walks away with the two best players.
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12 mai 2018 à 17 h 53
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Aw HELL no
12 mai 2018 à 19 h 31
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Yeah, probably didn't need to rush him to the Show. Obviously Yamamoto and RNH aren't the same player, but it was nice to see them make the call to send him back to junior. He's 159 lbs. Let the kid put some meat on his bones!


Absolutely!!
 
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