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Mackenzie says these teams are interested!!! Comments

Créé par: Zach
Date de création initiale: déc 13, 2017
Publié: 13 déc 2017 à 11 h 49
Équipe: 2017-18 Sabres de Buffalo
Explications
Mackenzie says the price for Kane will be considerably more than a good prospect, a 1st, and a 2nd.
Transactions
BUF
  1. Meier, Timo
  2. Roy, Jérémy
  3. 2018 1e round pick (SJS)
  4. 2019 1e round pick (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
2019 1st is a conditional pick, if San Jose makes it to the semi finals the Sabres recieve a 2019 2nd, if San Jose makes it to the conference finals or wins the Cup, the Sabres recieve the 2019 1st
SJS
    Evander Kane 50% retained
    BUF
    1. Välimäki, Juuso
    2. Jankowski, Mark
    3. 2019 1e round pick (CGY)
    CGY
      Evander Kane 50% retained
      BUF
      1. Ritchie, Nick
      2. Jones, Max
      3. 2018 1e round pick (ANA)
      ANA
        Evander Kane 50% retained
        BUF
        1. Thomas, Robert
        2. Dunn, Vince
        3. 2019 1e round pick (STL)
        4. 2018 2e round pick (STL)
        STL
        1. Kane, Evander (2 625 000 $ retained)
        Rachats de contrats
        • Cody Hodgson: 41 667 $
        • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
        • Ville Leino: 0 $
        Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
        • Evander Kane: 2 625 000 $ (50%)
        Enfoui
        • Matt Moulson: 3 975 000 $ (5 000 000 $)
        ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
        2018
        BUF
        SJS
        ANA
        BUF
        STL
        BUF
        MIN
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        2019
        BUF
        SJS
        CGY
        STL
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        2020
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
        2375 000 000 $64 397 858 $0 $7 837 500 $10 602 142 $
        Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
        Pouliot, Benoit
        1 150 000 $
        AG
        UFA - 1
        O'Reilly, Ryan
        7 500 000 $
        C
        UFA - 6
        Okposo, Kyle
        6 000 000 $
        AD
        NMC
        UFA - 6
        Wilson, Scott
        625 000 $
        AG
        UFA - 1
        Girgensons, Zemgus
        1 600 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 2
        Pominville, Jason
        5 600 000 $
        AD
        NMC NTC
        UFA - 2
        Ritchie, Nick
        894 167 $
        AG
        RFA - 1
        Larsson, Johan
        1 475 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 2
        Fasching, Hudson
        925 000 $
        AD
        RFA - 1
        Nolan, Jordan
        950 000 $
        AG
        UFA - 1
        Reinhart, Sam
        894 167 $
        AD, C
        RFA - 1
        Eichel, Jack
        925 000 $
        C
        UFA - 1
        Josefson, Jacob
        700 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 1
        Rodrigues, Evan
        650 000 $
        C, AG
        UFA - 2
        Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
        Scandella, Marco
        2 000 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 3
        Ristolainen, Rasmus
        5 400 000 $
        DD
        UFA - 5
        Lehner, Robin
        4 000 000 $
        G
        UFA - 1
        McCabe, Jake
        1 600 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 2
        Bogosian, Zach
        5 142 857 $
        DD
        UFA - 3
        Johnson, Chad
        2 500 000 $
        G
        UFA - 1
        Beaulieu, Nathan
        2 400 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 2
        Antipin, Victor
        925 000 $
        DG
        UFA - 1
        Gorges, Josh
        3 900 000 $
        DG
        NTC
        UFA - 1

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        13 déc 2017 à 11 h 53
        #1
        Blues GM v4
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        If that's the asking price, I doubt any team pulls the trigger.
        13 déc 2017 à 11 h 58
        #2
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        Quoting: krakowitz
        If that's the asking price, I doubt any team pulls the trigger.


        I agree, especially Blues and Calgary. Giving up current NHL rookies, their top prospect and a 1st... no way
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 00
        #3
        Sicarius
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        Dunn and Thomas are most likely the Blues best young players. They're not trading them along with a 1st & a 2nd for half a year of Kane.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 01
        #4
        Go Wings Go
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        No way are these teams going to give up those pieces for a pending UFA in Evander Kane, Unless there is a chance of resigning him for fair market price. I agree with Krakowitz that i doubt any team pulls the trigger.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 06
        #5
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        I think teams are hesitant to acquire him. yes every team wants a scoring winger, but off ice issues matter as well, and we all know Kane's history off the ice. I just don't see the sabres getting a max value for him
        ricochetii a aimé ceci.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 11
        #6
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        The blueprint is about what Winnipeg got for Ladd, so for example from St. Louis you're probably looking at Barbashev, 1st, and maybe a 2nd, not a team's top two prospects and two 1sts
        loganreid et Price_is_the_goat a aimé ceci.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 13
        #7
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        Quoting: commondreads94
        The blueprint is about what Winnipeg got for Ladd, so for example from St. Louis you're probably looking at Barbashev, 1st, and maybe a 2nd, not a team's top two prospects and two 1sts


        Right, I think Buffalo will get "top" value for him but the top value is much less than this post is implying. High end rentals are worth a 1st and prospect, adding more picks depending on how good the prospect is.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 17
        #8
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        Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
        I think teams are hesitant to acquire him. yes every team wants a scoring winger, but off ice issues matter as well, and we all know Kane's history off the ice. I just don't see the sabres getting a max value for him


        LOL at people still spouting this ancient narrative. No problems have happened since one if buffalo when he got here that resulted in pretty much nothing. Just stop trying to pull this card, the horse is already dead.
        13 déc 2017 à 12 h 18
        #9
        Sabres are elite
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        Any team who actually wants to win the cup will give up quite a lot for a goal scorer like Kane. He has so many assets: size, speed, shot, net-front presence, penalty killing, power-play, physicality. Tell me another player in the league who does all of those things as well as Kane does. Buffalo will absolutely be asking for a 1st a good prospect and maybe a 2nd for our best player
        wojme a aimé ceci.
        13 déc 2017 à 13 h 00
        #10
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        Bobby Mac reports what GM Botterill tells him guys. Whats he going to say? "Man I'd really like to get a 1st rounder so i'll take the first offer that someone gives me!"

        This is a GM driving up the price on a player. Nothing less, nothing more. No team, I REPEAT, NO TEAM is paying those prices. Has any pending UFA in NHL history received that type of return?

        You notice how the Insiders are very ambiguous when they report values and trades? This is precisely why. The fan bases are the only ones misconstruing these prices. The GM's aren't.

        Kyle Turris, a better overall player than Kane that plays a more important position, got not even remotely this much.......

        Remember when Sakic wanted a top notch young defensman (Carlo), a top prospect (McCavoy) and a 1st round pick for Duchene? You start high, and negotiate down.
        13 déc 2017 à 13 h 26
        #11
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        Every year teams overpay. This year will be no different
        13 déc 2017 à 13 h 30
        #12
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        Quoting: Skyraider112
        Any team who actually wants to win the cup will give up quite a lot for a goal scorer like Kane. He has so many assets: size, speed, shot, net-front presence, penalty killing, power-play, physicality. Tell me another player in the league who does all of those things as well as Kane does. Buffalo will absolutely be asking for a 1st a good prospect and maybe a 2nd for our best player


        Thats some serious wishful thinking, Kane's a great player who's clearly motivated by the fact its his contract year, but the reality is that every day that passes and the closer the deadline gets, the more the leverage shifts to the team the Sabres ultimately deal with. Furthermore, theres absolutely zero guarantee that Kane sees himself playing in Buffalo after this year.
        13 déc 2017 à 13 h 36
        #13
        Stars GM for V3
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        Either a 1st a prospect and a lesser piece or a 2nd a top prospect and a lesser piece. I'd say the retention is worth a 3rd to the right team, but more likely Buffalo takes back a useful player with some salary, if necessary.
        If they take another player, it accounts for the lesser piece. If they retain, they can gain an extra pick or upgrade the prospect if they are already getting a 1st.
        13 déc 2017 à 13 h 55
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        Quoting: commondreads94
        The blueprint is about what Winnipeg got for Ladd, so for example from St. Louis you're probably looking at Barbashev, 1st, and maybe a 2nd, not a team's top two prospects and two 1sts


        Got it perfectly here!
        13 déc 2017 à 15 h 15
        #15
        LongtimeLeafsufferer
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        Whoever this Makenzie guy is he must work for the Sabres. Kane isn't getting that much in a trade.
        13 déc 2017 à 15 h 17
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        LOL in what world does Armstrong give up a 20 year old NHL defenseman, one of the arguably 3 best players in the OHL and 2 picks for Kane?
        13 déc 2017 à 17 h 48
        #17
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        Quoting: SabresGuy
        Quoting: Skyraider112
        Any team who actually wants to win the cup will give up quite a lot for a goal scorer like Kane. He has so many assets: size, speed, shot, net-front presence, penalty killing, power-play, physicality. Tell me another player in the league who does all of those things as well as Kane does. Buffalo will absolutely be asking for a 1st a good prospect and maybe a 2nd for our best player


        Thats some serious wishful thinking, Kane's a great player who's clearly motivated by the fact its his contract year, but the reality is that every day that passes and the closer the deadline gets, the more the leverage shifts to the team the Sabres ultimately deal with. Furthermore, theres absolutely zero guarantee that Kane sees himself playing in Buffalo after this year.


        This!

        Hanzal was traded for a 1st - how did that work out?
        Ladd was traded for a 1st - How did that work out?

        Teams are starting to come to the realization that having a player for a playoff year isn't worth a potential stud in a couple years. Aside from the TDL deals that were low risk high reward, those big name deadline deals seldom are worth it.
         
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