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Do the Oilers have enough confidence to trade an unprotected pick

Créé par: KentMcNally
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 25 nov. 2023
Publié: 25 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
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UFA - 5
Description
Montreal takes a noticeable risk by only getting the 2024 pick from Edmonton, BUT it is unprotected. Edmonton takes the risk that if they don’t turn their season around then they give up a very good draft position (as it stands right now).

I just cannot see Edmonton playing as bad as they have played already this year for the remaining 60 games, so I see their risk as being fairly low.

High risk high reward scenario for both teams

Montreal could retain on Jake Allen to help with the cap for Edmonton and even take back an expiring/unwanted contract if necessary.
Transactions
MTL
  1. Campbell, Jack
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Savard, David
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)
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Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $77 344 583 $1 170 000 $4 300 000 $6 155 417 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
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UFA - 8
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
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UFA - 2
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
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2 900 000 $2 900 000 $
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1 985 000 $1 985 000 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
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UFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
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867 500 $867 500 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
DG
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
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890 000 $890 000 $
G
RFA - 2
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859 167 $859 167 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
DG
RFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1

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25 nov. 2023 à 7 h 9
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What's the high reward for the Oilers? Allen and Savard are just okay players at this point in their careers. They might be upgrades on what the Oilers have now but that pales to what they would miss if that pick ends up being top 5 or even top 10. In terms of dumping Campbell, if the cost is 3 1sts to dump him, it's simply not worth it, but even if that's the measure a top 3 pick would be more valuable than three bottom 10 picks, and the 5th overall is slightly less value than three 27OV picks.

The intrinsic value of getting a top-10 selection for the Oilers could be far greater than the Oilers getting away with dumping Campbell for a mere top-10 protected 1st place. That's only amplified if whoever they draft would be NHL-ready. Worst case they buyout Campbell and stick that ELC player into the lineup.

On the other hand, the risk for MTL is pretty low in comparison, Allen at full cap hit is probably worth like a 3rd, and Savard may be a 2nd at best. MTL's 2nd probably ends up being somewhere between 42-47 OV but even if they somehow fall to 32nd in the league, any 1st rounder the value comes slightly ahead of the 28th OV pick. So, on that front they end up basically breaking even with the likelihood that they end up ahead. So, the only downside is having to take back Campbell's contract at a heavily discounted rate/ for free.


So, it's really high risk - low reward for the Oilers and low/medium risk - high reward for the Canadiens. To answer the title, no they wouldn't have the confidence, only 25% of the teams that are out of a playoff spot at this point make it in, and the chances for a bottom 5 team in the standings to do it is super low.
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25 nov. 2023 à 7 h 13
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The Oilers can’t afford Savard.
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25 nov. 2023 à 7 h 23
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It’s like the NBA now, nobody is trading unconditional picks unless they are getting superstars it’s just the way of the world.
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25 nov. 2023 à 7 h 27
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What's the high reward for the Oilers? Allen and Savard are just okay players at this point in their careers. They might be upgrades on what the Oilers have now but that pales to what they would miss if that pick ends up being top 5 or even top 10. In terms of dumping Campbell, if the cost is 3 1sts to dump him, it's simply not worth it, but even if that's the measure a top 3 pick would be more valuable than three bottom 10 picks, and the 5th overall is slightly less value than three 27OV picks.

The intrinsic value of getting a top-10 selection for the Oilers could be far greater than the Oilers getting away with dumping Campbell for a mere top-10 protected 1st place. That's only amplified if whoever they draft would be NHL-ready. Worst case they buyout Campbell and stick that ELC player into the lineup.

On the other hand, the risk for MTL is pretty low in comparison, Allen at full cap hit is probably worth like a 3rd, and Savard may be a 2nd at best. MTL's 2nd probably ends up being somewhere between 42-47 OV but even if they somehow fall to 32nd in the league, any 1st rounder the value comes slightly ahead of the 28th OV pick. So, on that front they end up basically breaking even with the likelihood that they end up ahead. So, the only downside is having to take back Campbell's contract at a heavily discounted rate/ for free.


I understand your perspective, which seems to indicate that you don’t think Edmonton can make the playoffs this year (which is not unreasonable, given how far behind they are).

If Edmonton does make the playoffs the reward is huge to them: giving up the 17th overall pick (at worst) to get rid of Campbell’s contract (which also could allow positive players in future years by not having to pay Campbell).
25 nov. 2023 à 7 h 43
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I also think Edmonton also has to consider a couple of factors about Leon Draisaitl: (1) how much money do they need to extend him (does getting rid of all $5M of Campbell help a lot more than simply buying out Campbell and keeping a portion of his contract on the books) and (2) does it make Leon more willing to stay in Edmonton if the team shows that they are doing whatever it takes to win each year (rather than essentially giving up on the 2nd to last season of his current contract)? Edmonton has not had a ton of success yet (given how good they should be) and maybe Leon is leaning towards moving on if no moves are made to help the team.

Just a thought.
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