16 mars 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Black61</b></div><div>a couple questions for this move. With him filing for arbitration:
Does he have to sign before being traded?
If he doesnt and the habs sign him does that reopen their 2nd buyout window?</div></div>
To my understanding, the arbitration would proceed as normal, including the buyout window and all of the other items it involves. I cannot however, find an example of a team trading for a player headed to arbitration, without first having a contract in place that would negate the arbitration process.
The new CBA MOU also prevents the arbitration process from being interrupted once it has begun. You can no longer sign a player after the hearing but before the verdict. Any contract which avoids arbitration must be signed before their scheduled hearing.
Common sense would suggest no team is going to trade for a player without knowing what their contract is going to be, so I'd be surprised if it has ever happened. You'd normally get permission to discuss a contract with the player's agent and have a sign and trade, or an agreement to be finalized immediately after a trade. That would also preempt a 2nd buyout window.
Only the team has walk away rights if they disagree with the arbitration award. Until then, the player remains an RFA and may be traded as one. As with any RFA, a value and length of contract has to be negotiated, the only difference with arbitration is that a 3rd party sets those terms when negotiations fail.
So in short, yes. A trade is legal and doesn't change the process, but no team is going to make a trade under those circumstances.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NMAvsFan</b></div><div>Dvorak gets slagged a lot for his production versus salary but, believe it or not, his CF%Rel and FF%Rel were better than Lehkonen's when both were with the Habs last year (Lehky's numbers would likely have further improved under MSL had he stayed with MTL; they went way up when he went to COL, lol). All-in-all, he's a good skater, he's young, does well at the dot, plays a 200 ft game, doesn't get caved in. He'd probably do well in Colorado, TBH. If I were MacFarland, I would offer JTC (expiring UFA making $950K less than Dvorak that can play all over the lineup), a 2024 1st and a decent prospect.</div></div>
Could be a 60 point player good for 20 goals and provide value with his contract. All situations and most of his production at even strength and only 40% OZone starts, leaves lots of room for further production. You can also use him with that same deployment to get further production by giving another C the favorable minutes Dvorak doesn't need. Even as a 40 point 3C he can provide value.
I would prefer he hit a 60 point pace in Montreal, and Kaut and a 1st don't really convince me to part with him.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yup. Unless Chevy gets the value he wants for PLD, it will be up to Dubois if he wants to play this year, or sit out the season and push his UFA starts back to 2025.
Chevy did it with Trouba, so the worst case is Dubois sure until December, then signs a contract and finishes out the year in Winnipeg or possibly here mugged at the TDL.
Either way Chevy won't feel any pressure to take a bad deal this year. Yes, the Jets eventually possibly get a 75 cents for a dollar trade, but Chevy won't accept 25 cents on the dollar as proposed here.</div></div>
I don't think this proposal is 25% of his value.
Eichel returned Krebs, Tuch, and a mid 1st (and a 2nd/3rd pick swap).
Drouin, Dach, and a mid-late 1st is pretty close. Drouin is the weak link, but has comparable age and production to Tuch. You might prefer a player with less warts, but Dubois has some of his own.
Dach and Krebs are likewise similar. Dach has an extra year of experience.
The Florida 1st could be better or worse than the Vegas pick.