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Forum: NHL Trades27 juin 2023 à 13 h 53
Sujet: (PHI/STL) - Hayes for 2024 6th (STL)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Paying a player $8.5M to play somewhere else.

I just don't get it. Why are teams paying soo much to get rid of salary when the UFA market has nothing to offer?

The best guess I have is plain thanking.</div></div>

Google sunk cost fallacy.

They aren't paying a player to play somewhere else. They are creating usable cap space, which is an asset.

The 10M+ in cap space Briere created is more valuable than Hayes. Hayes was a sunk cost because no one was going to take him on his contract. A buyout would clear less money than this trade, and it would be spread over 6 years, not 3.

There are lots of smart hockey people on this website, but I am always amazed that great cap related moves like this that are really easy to understand the motivation behind seem to fly over the heads of so many posters on a website dedicated to the salary cap. If this was Reddit or HFboards or something, like whatever that's a general hockey forum I don't expect everybody to be nutty about how the cap works over there.

I cannot get over the absurdity of people calling out Briere for creating a ton of cap space for a player there was no market for without giving up any assets. The Flyers get no value out of Hayes playing for them, and at his age and size he is at a high risk of declining. Arizona has dropped out as a cap dumping ground, the cap did not go up, there are going to be opportunities to turn that 3.5M into multiple 2nd or 3rd round picks via taking on bad contracts. Chicago just got a 2nd+4th for taking on Zaitsev at the deadline and he only had 1 year of term remaining at 4.5M, among numerous other examples.

They have a reasonable chance of parlaying this cap space into multiple draft picks. It isn't guaranteed, but it is a reasonable outcome based on how frequently teams have paid 2nd or 3rd round picks to dump contracts in the 3.5M range with limited term. If the title of this thread was Hayes for 2nd+2nd+6th, people would be calling Briere a genius. Well, that's what he will likely end up with, maybe even more.

This is an excellent trade by Briere. The market for dumping these contracts is going to close quickly as teams use their available cap space. He did a great job to capitalize on the bad FA market and create cap flexibility that can be used to acquire further assets.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 juin 2023 à 9 h 13
Sujet: One major change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Somewhat agree. Nylander with 1 year left has better value than this package, but I prosposed it because:

BUF has Thompson, Cozens at 1C and 2C with youngster Krebs able to take 3C, Mittelstadt is 25, coming off a 40pt campaign and can play C or LW. Greenway is given a final chance to get back to using his size and strength and his 10-20 goal capability and could be a nice 30+ pt 3rd liner if robertson or hirvonen cant step up and Jokiharju could be a quality top 4 guy with a stay at home LD and is an upgrade on timmins. Its 3 young-ish guys who could make a deeper TOR team, give them more youth and a quality pick and cap space.

Is Nylander worth more individually, sure...but to who?

For BUF this gives them the best playmaking winger theyve had for years, they have the cap space to resign and the guys they are dealing are coming from depth they possess.

And with 2mil in cap space and 22 skaters, if Brink or Robertson aren;t ready, TOR could easily take a Hoffman at 50% retention for free, or a UFA like JVR for 3mil</div></div>

Sure Sabres have Thompson and Cozens at 1C and 2C sure, but you’re really underselling Mitts. mitts is a very solid utility to forward that can flex around the lineup due to injuries. He had a 59 point season last year (not 40 like you said), and trended up throughout the year (point per game after the all star break). Joki as you said has potential to be a solid second pairing guy. Granato really likes Greenway and thinks he can make him into a good player. The Sabres are not giving all that up for one year of Nylander. And signing Nylander long term doesn’t make much sense with Dahlin and Power’s new deals next year and guys like JJP, Quinn, Levi etc needing deals the year after.