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Toronto Maple Leafs
7 févr. à 2 h 7
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>You are not alone, I despise how this team is constructed but until Shanny is out of here, don’t see it ever changing.
No dog in the fight over a Marner - Barzal trade but IF they just let Marner walk and redistribute his cap space, I will definitely be ok with that.</div></div>
Yeah after the Dubas stuff, it's pretty hard to think that much is going to change as long as Shanny is around.
I thought Shanny was a smart guy but 6 years later and the core is pretty much the same.
The question becomes, how long before one can call it insanity when you keep doing the same thing over and over again?
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Toronto Maple Leafs
7 févr. à 2 h 2
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Issue is there arent many Dman rn on Marners caliber that would be offered in a trade if at all. We already saw that with Willy
Nobody was gonna give Leafs what they wanted for him so Marner's probs gonna be the same
Its basically a penny to the dollar trade.
Like Dman off Marner's caliber are what teams lock up then never field trade offers for unless they ask out</div></div>
You're not wrong in saying some of what you pointed out, it's just that some of us expected more out of Marner than we've gotten to date. What I mean by that is, Marner maybe (hopefully?) understands the plight of a Leafs fan and at least some of us had the hope he would rise above the bs between the lines but instead we get for example a quote from him before the second Winnipeg game of his situation being similar to Samsonov's.
One guy was put on waivers, there were somewhat serious questions about him being an NHL'er going forward if he hadn't figured it out....meanwhile, the other guy makes 10 sheets, hasn't once had to worry about being put on waivers and has the gall to compare situations with the other guy.
I'll let you guys figure out why some people have a love hate thing with Marner.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
7 févr. à 1 h 49
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>
It would fix that as it gives more potential $$$ to give to UFA defensemen
</div></div>
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this because the way I view $$$ allocation as far this roster goes is that somehow the GM needs to figure out how to get cheaper forwards so that $$$ saved goes directly to a much needed top RD.
A million in savings isn't really much when you consider that that more than 1 D has to be added to greatly improve the D core overall.
Anyway, the whole Barzal/Marner talk is just that, talk. Not really happening.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
5 févr. à 1 h 19
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I don't think this would be a downgrade tho...
Barzal would be a 35 goal scorer, 100 point player with Matthews... Marner would become a 80-85 point player in NYI...
You're right, this would be Treliving redeeming himself for the Tkachuk trade...
And need I mention that Barzal's signed until he's 33-34 years old? Whereas Marner, if he were to sign an 8 year deal, would be 36-37 by the end of his deal... For 3-6 mill more</div></div>
I said a few pages back that this roster is flawed and part of the flaw is the amount of $$$ allocated to forwards. A potential Barzal deal would not fix that even if he's 3 million cheaper because it's really not addressing the D at all with such a trade.
Ideally, trading Marner allows for acquiring/signing a top notch RD because that is a position that has been a sore point for this roster in this core's history.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
27 janv. à 16 h 42
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>One guy I'd really like to see the Leafs make an offer to this offseason (assuming he reaches free agency) is Chandler Stephenson. He's having a bit of a down year, but he would be a perfect target to act as a stop gap at 2C. He can come in, force Tavares down to 3C, and be a viable center option until Minten is finally ready to take over the responsibility of being a 2C. I think he would mesh perfectly with Nylander, and could be a very savvy addition.
That being said, I'm not convinced he's leaving Vegas. It's a nice thought though.</div></div>
You still want Tavares signed to another deal after this current one?
Look, mostly he's been good through the current deal but this year in particular we are seeing age catch up to Johnny. Even at 5 million, I'd rather just pass on him and just look for younger players who offer speed among other things.
This roster has gotten slow over the years and for a league that is trending towards speed, some of the decisions have to be based on age and yeah,speed and defense.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
24 janv. à 18 h 18
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>One of the craziest parts about all the WJC stuff is how the teams continued to play these guys regularly and have them represent the organization. There's no way FO's of teams didn't know if their players were involved. I understand they probably couldn't do anything drastic - like terminate their deals - based on unproven accusations, but they were under no obligation to dress these guys every night. It's insane.</div></div>
I watch HNIC every Saturday night and sit through the bull**** that is "Hockey is for everyone" segments they do every few Saturdays and shake my head because these people don't understand crap about inclusion and positive culture.
Am I shocked that teams continued to play these suspected players? Absolutely not...the NHL and hockey in general is so backwards and stuck in the stoneage, no wonder it's a niche sport and why this league continuously lags behind the other big sports/leagues in North America.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
21 janv. à 19 h 5
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I dont see Brad selling as it makes 0 sense for this team to do. They have their issues but recency Bias also be a thing. FLA almost missed but they didnt sell they stood pat but used the fire coach card, same for some other teams like STL who bought one cheap Dman.
Either make a trade for someone with term to give Keefe a new toy or use the fire bullet to allow u to stand pat at the TDL. Or heck do both those be Brads 3 options rn
Like if Brad went and spent assets for Chycrun or Fabbro or someone thats here beyond 4 months I got 0 issues as it allows em to plan ahead for next year
As then they have
Rielly, Chycrun, and McCabe as their LD going into 2024-2025.
As yea as we learned in FA its a world where u can have 4 or 5 targets but end up with one or two and the end result = often overpaying for said guys
Roy for instance could cost us 6.5-7m or we may miss out
We know Brad had his eyes on keeping ROR, Gudas, Dumba, keeping Schenn, Acciari, etc before settling on the others last offseason
Thats how FA works though cant get em all and they may ask for to much or not want to come.</div></div>
Leafs are in win now mode but they also have way too many holes to fill to make the team a true contender at the TDL.
This needs to addressed in the off season but I'm not even sure how that happens in the off season with extensions kicking in and others needing new contracts.
I definitely don't see any way this team being improved just magically at the TDL.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 janv. à 1 h 59
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>
Lastly, as a full on Sheldon Keefe hater, he is not the problem right now. This is a bad roster construction</div></div>
On the roster construction part yep, right there with you.
I remember you and I wanted Keefe gone at least a year ago and that didn't happen and really nothing has changed as far as I'm concerned except that I don't see a point to get rid of Keefe mid season because I don't believe the coaches currently available are good fits for this roster.
I do believe Keefe is a problem but there's many problems and he just happens to be part of a long list.
It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 janv. à 1 h 47
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>I mean I'm not really giving up hope yet. Atleast we aren't buying into a team that we know is garbage. These are the growing pains of retooling a roster to fit a different mindset, like the 2019-20 Leafs. I have no doubt they'll figure it out, and I am a fan of Treliving's roster construction philosophies (that Calgary blueline was a work of art). I can't say that the results this season have really been surprising, and atleast the core is locked up so we don't have to worry about them
I'm not giving up yet. Whether that belief is blissful ignorance or not is yet to be seen, but I think the Leafs will be fine. Keefe will finish this season as head coach, the Leafs will make no major moves at the TDL (maybe a Robertson / Timmins prospect swap of sorts?), and we will get bounced in the first round of the playoffs. It'll be the same old story as always.
I personally like to think that the lack of success recently has fallen largely on our goaltending. This team will be fine when Woll is back. I also believe that this kind of forward group is EXACTLY what Treliving wants, but the blueline is still a long ways off. That'll be the priority this summer. For now, I want to see some strategic long term additions. Give me Alex Texier, give me Brandon Duhaime, give me Mario Ferraro (unless he costs more than like a 2nd round pick combined). Just be smart with our assets, that's all I want</div></div>
I agree with most of what you've said. The part I'm troubled by is $$$ allocation. Yeah it's great to have these top forwards, just wished the organization would have smartened up a bit on negotiations because that could have meant a more balanced roster.
Right now, if the top 2 lines aren't continuously racking up the goals, the team loses because defensively they haven't figured out the "bend but don't break" strategy.
Also I know there's alot of faith in young Woll but especially looking into next season, the team should want a goalie who will push Woll for minutes. The whole idea of "iron sharpens iron".
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 janv. à 0 h 31
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general if he came here think we would see improvement. As man OTT be a mess rn</div></div>
And Arizona was not a mess while he was there? Common denominator.
I get that the forwards are not playing well but the D looks just as horrible with him.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 janv. à 0 h 8
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I mean OTT has been miserable so I dont blame him
I would love him here as if they keep McCabe on the right its not a bad mix. He also would be a nice PP QB to push Rielly to unit 2 again</div></div>
I've watched some Sens games and for a guy who was supposed to help out on defense, really hasn't. He makes mental errors almost as often as Brodie and McCabe from what I've seen.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
16 janv. à 23 h 58
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>
Now maybe Brad jumps the gun and gets Chycrun from a divisional rival lets see</div></div>
I never believed the hype that was behind what Chycrun looked like in Arizona because I saw him as the guy putting up numbers on a bad team.
Now that he's been in Ottawa, he hasn't looked anything special like how the hype he had in Arizona. I'd pass on him.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
14 janv. à 11 h 49
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>That's a wee bit excessive for me....hard to fire a rookie coach after doing well in a bubble season....but you want to see growth and learning from mistakes.
I'm quite confident we would be angry regardless of who's coaching after this type of loss...or one where we fall behind and don't catch up.
Our big guys up front are just as likely to put in 3 goals in 6minutes as they are to cough up the same amount.
If a coach makes adjustments and we still cough up a lead or fail to come back from behind...we'd be on here posting TOI figures for our best players and questioning why we're paying these guys if we're not going to use them when it matters most.
If he rides the big guys and they fail, we're on here wondering why he doesn't make adjustments.
That's the nature of our discontent as fans and....as far as I'm concerned...we're completely entitled to it.
For me, it's the inconsistencies in effort. You can have good games and bad games....bad bounces....awful calls by the ref....but my main issue is that you look at a leader like Mackinnon last night and he goes 100 every game all season it seems.
I've seen games out of Matthews like that. I've seen Nylander take over games. Marner can be a dog on a bone sometimes on the forecheck and directing the offense...I don't think I've seen JT every really have a game where he "dominates"...he's consistently "good" as far as I'm concerned.
But it was probably early last year for me when I really started to sour on Keefe...when he seems to call out the big guys in a post-game presser and then walks it back the next day. I don't know if that's him...or Dubas telling him to walk it back...or the players/agents complaining to management that they don't want their clients' names criticized....I dunno...but Keefe seems ok to be pushed around,
MLSE just hired Pelley to take over as CEO...have to think all the team presidents are somewhat on notice. Shanny may have one more coaching change life in him...I dunno....but I just want a Brind'Amour type...former player that's young enough to relate but strong enough to demand and won't p*ssy foot around
Berube might be that guy but I don't buy it...he kinda had one magical half season in St. Louis. Paul Maurice comes to mind as another but he's not going anywhere. Gallant? Gotta be a reason he doesn't last long anywhere but he seems to get results in a short time-frame. Reunite with D.J. Smith? Don't think that would make the fanbase happy but I could see it happen.
Doug Gilmour...no for me
Patrick Roy...disaster waiting to happen
Gruden? I don't know enough about the guy
Just get me someone that won't be afraid to put our stars in their place every now and then when their effort wanes.</div></div>
Well...think of it this way...what was the complaints with Babcock and Keefe over the years? Those complaints are still the same.
The other issue I don't like at all is Keefe being critical of any of the core guys and immediately walking back those comments the next day.
Healthy scratching Kampf....because why? How about benching a core guy when he doesn't play well?
I mean these are just a few reasons why Keefe should have been fired well before this season but there's too many more reasons.
The sad thing about firing him now is that the coaching replacements available at the moment is way less impressive than let's say someone like when Bruce Cassidy was available.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
14 janv. à 11 h 3
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Keefe should have been fired after last season.</div></div>
Nope...should have been fired after the Montreal series. Basically rookie coach vs rookie coach and as we all saw, Keefe got out coached because he couldn't figure out in game adjustments.
Why was Babcock fired? Well among the other reasons was that he was failing to make in game adjustments.
I can't believe we are still dealing with this particular issue these days.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
14 janv. à 3 h 56
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So when u think Keefe's gone
VGK fired Gallant in January with a 24-19-6 record. Keefe's rn 21-11-8
As yes its only been 2 games but two multi goal leads blown where your team dominated the first period
0 adjustment as what is he not expecting the teams not to push back?
And not rewarding the bottom 6 who actually looked good these past two
Holmberg was having the best 2 games of his life and u dont put him in the top 6 to maybe create a spark and instead in a classic Keefe move shove Nylander with Matthews and Marner who also didnt look good tonight
Gimmie Berube</div></div>
So...I remember you wanting Keefe back as the coach and my argument to firing him a few years ago is the same ones you've listed now. I don't know whether to be happy about that or sad.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>And I’m sorry but to each their own, but how anyone wants to extend Tavares for another 5-6 seasons is absolutely nuts.</div></div>
Yep...I feel people are being a bit too sentimental about JT. When people consider that this core has been around for 6-7 years, it's basically coming to a point where there's no time to be sentimental about a player or two.
JT joining the Leafs was nice 6 years ago. People need to think about more than just the goals he scores or face-offs he wins because he isn't good at much else these days.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
13 janv. à 2 h 50
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Based on Tree's track record u either get a long 6 year deal or bridge. For Knies bridge may be best as we still dont have a full picture of him
JT is gonna get a deal in the 5.5-7m range based on comparable so is that really low?
Defense agree and based on Brad's comments I see that being the big focus next offseason
Woll is tough. Goalies are voodo but at the same time if he plays his heart out we go from a potential 4m deal to 8m</div></div>
About JT...not sure how the rest of you feel but man he's lost alot of speed..not that he had tons to begin with. That has made him such huge defensive liability.
I think once his deal is done, thank him for his years and look elsewhere for someone younger and cheaper because cap wise, there's not much choice but to go younger and cheaper.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
10 janv. à 1 h 17
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>All the good teams are top heavy. That isn't an issue. It's a star driven league, and stars win cups no matter how much the media or your uncle try and tell you Barclay goodrow won the bolts their cups</div></div>
Agree to disagree on all top teams are top heavy. The Tampa example had top forwards but also had enough combinations of skill and grit on the bottom lines to keep opponents on their toes while the stars found ways to make a difference.
With the Leafs, the 2 other lines just haven't made the same kind of difference and I see it as a lack of balance on the roster.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 janv. à 21 h 14
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>McCabe was bad in the first round as well. And brutal to start this season. He's been better recently but he's 3rd pair guy. We need a true shutdown guy but who that is? I don't know.</div></div>
Yeah I don't know either...the problem tho...is this roster is again going to be top heavy, something most of the people here are just glossing over.
It's like the last 6 years all over again.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 janv. à 20 h 59
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Im really curious as to why people are so up in arms about a Marner extension. Mitch wants to be a Leaf, just like both Matthews and Nylander wanted to be. A deal will get done. If Mitch does get signed at a high number like 12.5m, then so be it. That would be a ~1.6m pay raise. Big deal. Plus, the first year that this extension kicks in is the same year that Tavares' money comes off of the books, It's literally so easy and the precedent has already been set with Nylander and Matthews. If anything, this is the contract extension that worries me least.</div></div>
I'll tell you why ...
Marner being the hometown guy...people expect him of all the players on this roster the hunger for playoff success being paramount.
Instead, people feel this guy is all about being paid the same as his buddies and so will be loved anyway.
Well...the truth is most reasonable fans just want someone who will go beyond being paid, beyond being elite and just do whatever it takes to win. From the last contract he signed, it doesn't seem like he's doing any of the beyond stuff mentioned above.
I think if some of what mentioned above was seen and the team still loses, the fans would still respect and love the guy but the last contract negotiations and the recent social media post regarding the Nylander contract just leaves people feeling like this guy is only really about having a top contract in the league and throwing hissy fits when he doesn't get his way.
Sorry if people don't agree, just sharing some of what I have heard from friends and other Leafs fans regarding Marner and winning in general .
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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 janv. à 17 h 36
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>Defense upgrade in the offseason is a must to me, if that means bye Bertuzzi so be it.
We can run with lesser options in that spot potentially like Kubalik.
Roy would be huge and Forsling.
Moving Marner is the path forward, what, who, and how will be tricky.</div></div>
I'm in the same boat here. Upgrade on defense in the off season is a must even if it means losing Bertuzzi and Domi.
Are people forgetting how bad Brodie and McCabe looked in the second round last year? Maybe a reminder might do some good.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
9 janv. à 1 h 39
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Matthews technically did take a discount as he could have easily demanded league max. For him and considering he's a top 3 center in the NHL and on pace for 70 goals 13.25m is fine as he is up there as the best rn
Willy is a different manner. Guy should not be making more than Pastranak whose better. Marner I'm waiting as who knows maybe his next deals the exact same as Willy 11.5 which isn't a crazy raise for him
Basically for a guy like Matthews u pay that man. Willy and Marner yea is not the same lvl of need to keep as building around centers is vital over wings</div></div>
Technically huh..
Well it was was clear right from the beginning that getting Nylander and Marner on team friendly deals was going to be the way to go and neither happened the first time around and second time around not looking so good either.
If Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly could play the entire game, for me this would be a non issue but the fact is 2 more lines have to play and this is where my disappointment in roster building comes in.
We've seen the the top heavy roster for what? 5-6-7 years? Didn't learn that the roster needs more balance?
I'm wondering what Shanahan is thinking since he's been here the longest from the current management group.
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NHL Signings
9 janv. à 1 h 27
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Toronto Maple Leafs signed William Nylander (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Danny12357</b></div><div>This is pretty bang on. This contract is far better than losing Nylander for nothing, and if you were trying to win this player over to your team, you sign it in a heartbeat.
The big L here for BT is that he allowed it to get to this point. There was a lot of risk of this happening, and it was obviously there. Expectations changed the second the NHL announced a cap increase for next season, and throw in Nylander's point streak and another year where he just plain looks better than the year prior (which has been Nylander's trajectory) and you basically have a GM that lit $1.5M in cap space on fire trying to save $500K. That's a terrible bet.
Reality is, when the Leafs ask was just under $9M and Nylander was at $10M, they should have realized there was more for Nylander to gain than the Leafs, and should have hammered away at it until a deal was done in the offseason. You could have just caved and gave him $10M and that would have been a win in hindsight.
BT's decision making has been mostly very poor with Toronto, but I think it's Shanahan that really should be feeling the heat. Forget about what people think of Dubas, but how does a president of hockey operations go from offering an extension to Dubas to firing him over a 48 hour period with no backup plan in place? What other organization would fire their GM in the middle of their competitive window? I mean I get the lack of playoff wins, but still, no other team would fire a GM of a team that has the record that the Leafs had over the last 5 seasons, especially going into an absolutely critical 24 month window where every star forward will need a new contract.
If this Leafs core ever wins, it's now going to be in spite of management, not assisted by it.</div></div>
This post is the most balanced and fair in all things that got pointed out.
That last point by you may sting the most because the fanbase deserves better.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
8 janv. à 1 h 31
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
I've been busy with real life the last few weeks so when I actually found the time to read some of what has been said in this thread, only thing I can think of is when Matthewsfan and I were in the minority on Keefe not being the coach to elevate this team to a finals appearance after the Montreal series. I guess people are finally starting to see more flaws in Keefe.
As for the Nylander extension, the player aside, it's incredible that this management has not been able to get the 3 forwards (Matthews, Marner and Nylander) to sign a team friendly deal.
In the cap ERA it seems very important to get someone from the core group to sign a deal that really emboldens the team to really fill out the roster.
I don't know how many of you are tired of years of being top heavy as far as this roster goes but.... 11.5? Yeah don't see that changing too much.
The roster needs balance but I'm not sure you get balance with Nylander at 11.5 and with Marner next...what's his number going to really be? 12.8? Yeesh!
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Toronto Maple Leafs
8 déc. 2023 à 13 h 35
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>Even with Samsonsov's decent statlines, I still don't have 100% faith in him long term, and have absolutely 0 faith in Jones. You might, but I don't.
I don't care if Reaves is "noticable" for 7 minutes, my point is he shouldn't be on NHL ice for 7 minutes at all. He's a 38 year facepuncher that got 3 million dollars to be a masking tape solution to "cultural issues" with the team. Really just a worst iteration of Simmonds and Clifford and Thornton.
Sorry, I'm not buying the excuse of "off nights". Multiple times this season he's gone three games without putting up any points. For a forward taking up 7 digits of cap space, that's incredibly poor and worse than "once in a while". You can count the number of games MacKinnon has put up zeros on one hand, and McDavid's lackluster scoring this season has been a major issue for the Oilers. Matthews, along with Tavares and Marner, are paid to score. Marner being a point per game player didn't save him from scrutiny earlier, and he responded with a 3 goal game and has looked fine since. I think we need to give the same treatment to Matthews. Hitting the post and "potential goals" aren't goals, you need to actually score if you want to win. Don't give these guys the benefit of the doubt if they're the reason the team can't sign depth, they don't deserve it.
This is meaningless speculation. More than one team is going to be in on Tanev; Treliving doesn't have a lot of leeway if he decides to hold Toronto's first hostage to get a sign-and-trade done.</div></div>
I wanted to say something about Matthews but just couldn't put it into words. The hatricks were nice but yeah your point stands out blaringly because so much has been invested in Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander and there's not much else left for the bottom 6.
That means when any/all of the players named above fail to put up points, they will and should be questioned.
I hate this team's lack of compete level. It's my biggest gripe about this core for the longest time and nothing has changed so far.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
7 déc. 2023 à 17 h 35
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Well if you think about it these are CGY's potential 3 big TDL deals
Lindholm
Hanafin
Tanev
If they had retained on Zadorov would only have 2 slots left
3.75m is more reasonable to move without ret and the return on those 3 should be greater
As even with ret Zadorov may have got a 4th over a 5th coming back
Lindholm with ret could see a return like ROR
Hanafin potentially like ANA Lindholm
And Tanev something like Gio potentially</div></div>
I get what you're saying but so far, ownership has been against retention of any kind. That kind of handcuffs the GM IMO.
If they change their tune, yeah the returns on those guys you mentioned should be good.
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