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Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 2 h 17
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>It's not about "better" because the truth is the hardcore Leafs fans can't afford to even be in the nosebleeds section since ticket prices are so expensive. It's all corporate people mostly and getting them to cheer on the team is like trying to milk a rock.
I can't even remember the last time I was at Scotiabank Arena for a Leafs game.
At least Raptors games still have some affordable tickets depending on the team in town to face them.</div></div>
Yea thats the one headache. Like maybe a new president will help but man when you look at the Leafs home vs. away playoff record I go no wonder they do better on the road sometimes lul
The atmosphere would put me to sleep
Literally just put a go leafs go on the speakers or something to make it loud lul. Or hire someone to get em going or something idk.
As while it should not be a giant factor fans showing they care can help spark the players IMO. Like hey they do care lul
But yea this is something new president of MLSE should talk about with the board and stuff. Look what Masai was able to do with Raptor culture and ****. Tickets aint super cheap but dam fans go wild for em. I bet he fought for affordable pricing, Shanahan or someone should do the same.
As ScotiaBank cant become a Morgue lul
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 0 h 33
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
Also
https://twitter.com/Bonsie1951/status/1783316265290903980
Man I feel asleep a few times as thats the vibes I got from the crowd. I heard better reactions from Buffalo
Leafs should go play there the Hamilton people be better
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 21 h 30
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Crazy that everyone and their mothers knew that the special teams (especially PP) were ass and would be a detriment come playoff time and NOTHING was done about it</div></div>
Its crazy how in FEB PP was almost unstoppable and then in March it fell off so bad and stayed the same in April lul
And you have
Matthews, Marner, JT, Willy, ETC.
I know Willy's out but your telling me even with the other 3 you cant score 1!!!!!!!!!
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
mar. à 13 h 22
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
I know people using stats to attack Marner dont
The moment we see Ilya Lybushkin second in XGF shoot em into the sun
Marner's been fine this series. He's taking on the defensive assignments, he's been fine, dont be silly
If he was taking stupid penalties all through both game 1 and 2 fine but he's not.
Once Willy comes back everyone should start clicking as then the responsibility will lessen
As for the whole trade thing. Just wait for JT to go. There's the cap space. Marner comes back 1.1m raise and the remaining 9.9m can be used on a 2c and other area's
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Toronto Maple Leafs
lun. à 22 h 0
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>I can't believe how often Marchand gets away with diving. Anything hits him and he's toppling over. ****ing rat</div></div>
Marchand gets away with a lot but when you catch him or can goat him into losing his temper its a treat
He is both a hero for the bruins but has also cost them games with that temper
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
lun. à 21 h 58
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>Even put aside the fact that he's had two of our best chances despite not being able to bury them - he looks composed out there. They had me tearing my hair out with how often they were just dumping the puck in for a giveaway, but on multiple occasions he would be in a position to do that and instead play it back to keep possession and still get a change in.</div></div>
To me put him with Matthews next year. We cant bring back Bertuzzi anyway if we want to improve this Dcore why cant he play with him
Like if Robertson had 14 goals and 13 assists for 27 points in 56 games if we give him more mins and he plays all 82 games I could see a 20-25 goal 50 point guy easily
Can apply the same to McMann (when healthy) and other guys one day.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
lun. à 21 h 56
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
Good win all around, if they can play like that for the rest of the series I think they can pull off the win here. Definitely don’t want to get overconfident but if they play like we know they can, they got this.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
sam. à 23 h 55
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
Going to start manifesting it now, I need Juuse Saros to be a Leaf in 2024 🤞🤞
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 3 h 21
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Early in the first period the Leafs were keeping up with the play but as soon as the unnecessary hit by Reaves and the pinch by Edmundson at the same time the Bruins carried the play.
These goalies we have can make routine saves but as soon as the D or forward group make mistakes, all bets are off. The goal where the Boston player was able to get to Sammy without a Leafs player between him and Sammy is just bad defense. If there's going to be more chances like this one in the series, forget the game no chance at winning the series.
As for Matthews and the talk about shots vs shot attempts, bottom line is the stars have to score. It's why they get the big bucks and if the stats line is going to be zero, zero, zero, good luck winning anything.</div></div>
Also forgot to say I know people yell at the goalie but your on the ball with it
Goal 2 who some calls the backbreaker
Dangle on his review highlighted something that should be embarrassing
5 leafs are back against Debrusk and he wins the puck battle to Carlo and its in but even before that 2 giveaways lead to that chaos.
If we continue gifting Boston grade A chances like that to where Sammy has to go SOTY to stop it book the golfcourse were done. He might catch one or two of those but yea No goalie is stopping it all the time. The silliness with Woll needs to stop he also struggled vs. BOS and same results lul
Game 2 they better play much better especially the Matthews line otherwise were not going anywhere.
Not worried we saw this last year and Sammy in the end outdueled Vasi. But they need to play much smarter and support him and he just needs to be good and make the saves when needed no need to go fancy
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 1 h 46
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Early in the first period the Leafs were keeping up with the play but as soon as the unnecessary hit by Reaves and the pinch by Edmundson at the same time the Bruins carried the play.
These goalies we have can make routine saves but as soon as the D or forward group make mistakes, all bets are off. The goal where the Boston player was able to get to Sammy without a Leafs player between him and Sammy is just bad defense. If there's going to be more chances like this one in the series, forget the game no chance at winning the series.
As for Matthews and the talk about shots vs shot attempts, bottom line is the stars have to score. It's why they get the big bucks and if the stats line is going to be zero, zero, zero, good luck winning anything.</div></div>
Reminds me of last year game 1 honestly everything went wrong. One diff PP scored twice lul
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
sam. à 23 h 5
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Leafs played undisciplined so what more could Keefe do lul. This be on the players
3 offensive zone penalties by the top line says enough
Horrible officiating nothing new play through it you did against TBL
Nobody looked good that game cant really single much but the top line taking 4 penalties. Only line I got impressed with for a second was the 4th at times
Having that short of a leash on a goalie after one bad game will get us no where. What if Woll sucks then what? Sammy gets game 2 if team continues like this then Woll game 3</div></div>
If you think everyone was just bad then we watched a different game. Clearly there were issues but the Leafs out shot and out hit Boston. Moneypuck has the expected goals at 7.4 to 3.7 in favour of Toronto.
The lesson I take is that we need more of what we got from the first line. Boston was doing the same **** but since everyone does it nobody gets called. On Toronto it stands out when Domi or Bert do it cause nobody else does.
Also the two high sticks are complete flukes, wouldn't read into it.
In terms of the goalie. If it's going to be a tight checking defensive game then we need Woll. Sammy will give you the brilliant save that Woll won't but he also lets in a bunch of ****ty screenshots like 2 of the goals today that Woll rarely allows. I'd rather give up the 1 goal on a crazy play that Sammy would save and get stability that this team didn't have this game. That 2nd goal was a backbreaker. Never goes in on Woll.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 9 h 56
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Even at 5-5.5 million (which I think he would settle for) on a long term deal is not something Leafs can do. Also with the style he and Domi play where it gets physical at times (specifically Bertuzzi in front of the net) these types of players don't age well.
This is why I think they will want long term deals and for them, this might be their last contract because of the above reasons.</div></div>
I mean, look at Hyman... He's doing just fine taking the same abuse, look at Bunting and there are others
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 8 h 47
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Your numbers for Bertuzzi are off, not because I think it's something I couldn't live with but because Bertuzzi is probably looking at 6 million/year on a long term deal. That's simply not something the Leafs can do.
As for Domi, sure maybe he can be talked into staying because his history as a kid in the city/team/building but I think he will want a long term deal as well...not sure that can be done.
As for a goalie, I don't think it's wise to go with a Martin Jones type goalie/contract. Woll still has to prove he can stay healthy...I'm skeptical that he can so spending on a goaltender is probably a necessity.</div></div>
Bert's not going to get to though... Not enough cap, I see Bert getting a 4.5-5 mill deal on a long term contract
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 7 h 37
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Again because of Woll's recent struggles vs. BOS the logical answer is Samsonov
BOS has gotten the upperhand on Woll twice in b2b matchups. Last time Sammy faced them was in a SO loss. No SO in playoffs
Sammy had his recent struggles but we know he has handled BOS well. And before those 2 last starts went on a run and has gotten better support</div></div>
Recent struggles. His first two games back after injury vs a top team in the league who was rolling a the time. Make up whatever you want
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 2 h 28
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Your numbers for Bertuzzi are off, not because I think it's something I couldn't live with but because Bertuzzi is probably looking at 6 million/year on a long term deal. That's simply not something the Leafs can do.
As for Domi, sure maybe he can be talked into staying because his history as a kid in the city/team/building but I think he will want a long term deal as well...not sure that can be done.
As for a goalie, I don't think it's wise to go with a Martin Jones type goalie/contract. Woll still has to prove he can stay healthy...I'm skeptical that he can so spending on a goaltender is probably a necessity.</div></div>
With the season he had would be shocked if anyone gives 6m
He may have to sign another prove it as man for the first half he was lost
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 0 h 29
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I get people like to blame the coach, but there's really no evidence that he did nothing.
Like he can't overhaul the system mid-period. It's up to the players to execute that system and make the right decisions out there on the ice, which they very, <em>very</em> did not.
I'm sure he's not standing on the bench with his thumb in his ass going "gee I don't know what's going on here, just keep doing the same thing fellas"</div></div>
I agree that at times Sheldon is an easy target but having played to a high level I can say from what I see he is a really bad coach.
I'll give you a few reasons why I think this:
1. A common problem I see with the leafs (especially on the PP and in transition) is that they overthink everything. Their PP id actually at its best when individuals are chasing stats because then at least everyone is feeding Matthews or Knies or Bert or whoever is chasing the milestone/hatty/etc. I blame Keefe for this. If you read any "behind the scenes" on Keefe he's a massive strategists and he's know for studying other games, teams, sports and constantly proposing new ideas but rarely acting on them. Essentially the way he coaches (loads of thinking and strategizing with minimal action) is exactly how the team plays on the ice.
2. Team doesn't show up on time or for big games. Having played AAA to the point where teammates respect each other more than the coach (likely the situation in the Leafs room) one of the main things a coach needs to still be capable of doing in that environment is motivating the team. If he losses that control/respect then he is reliant on team members to do this. Some teams (like the early 2010s rangers had a strong leadership core and this was fine) but the Leafs don't have that and if Keefe isn't doing it then it seems nobody is (maybe this is changing we've seen Tavares and Rielly specifically be more engaged this year).
3. Lack of adjustments. O'Reilly essentially called him out for it last year but Keefe defaults back to certain players and combinations when the team struggles. Despite all his strategizing he doesn't rearrange his team to meet the tasks at hand, he rearranges them to what worked in the past. If things go south you'll see Rielly/Brodie, Mathews/Marner, Jarnkrok in the top 6, Lili's ice time down. This is just his default and it shouldn't be. He should be more flexible and adapt based on what is needed to win. Maybe that means that the Leafs trust their bottom 9 is better than Bostons given their depth issues so they load up Nylander/Matthews/Marner to make sure they win the top line matchup. Idk what the series will need but I'm pretty confident Keefe won't deliver.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
16 avr. à 19 h 36
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>You really cant
In order to significantly improve the Dcore have to move on from one or both of them
Even if you use a bunch of ELC's you dont have enough
Leafs have 19m
They need to extend Robertson + Dewar + Liligren then bring in a 1B goalie, 2 top 4 RD, and sign a wing
2 good top RD will eat up the majority of that cap space along with Liligren extension and the new tandem guy</div></div>
Why not:
Bert (4.5)-Matthews- Domi (3 mill)
McMann-JT-Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Willy
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves
Rielly-5.5 UFA defensemen
McCabe-Lilly (2.5 mill)
Benoit-3 mill defensemen
Niemela
Woll
Martin Jones type backup
Extras whom have the waiver exempt and can be brought up in case of emergency:
Hirvonen
Niemela
Riafali
Hildeby
Minten
CAP SPACE: 2.4 mill
It sounds like a good plan to me
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Toronto Maple Leafs
13 avr. à 0 h 58
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>You know what's disheartening about the powerplay? That Keefe hasn't figured out that Rielly doesn't work there. He has zero shot and can't get it passed the defenders which makes him useless there.
Keefe doing Keefe things...what a surprise.</div></div>
U cant really blame Keefe when he's not in charge of the PP
Boucher is and in Feb PP was 50% but then March it just went south and while it has been a bit better for April its not substantial
And Rielly really aint the issue for the PP as through the years its been top 10 with him on unit 1, if anything this is just the setup and system needing adjusting once teams figure it out. As u can see the backpass to either Marner or Matthews eats 30 seconds off the clock and then they struggle to set up. Teams expect it and just wait. Whoever has it should just carry it not wait and drop pass
Article is a good read https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2024/04/01/why-did-the-maple-leafs-power-play-fall-off-a-cliff-in-march-a-look-at-the-game-tape/
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Toronto Maple Leafs
13 avr. à 0 h 57
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>So...my comments were specifically about the playoffs. I realize both of these guys have stolen games in the regular season but the playoffs are a different story.
Anyway I think it's a recipe for disaster to count on the goalies to play like Vasi, Hellebyuck and Shesterkin do.
The forwards and D-core just need to be better. This team has the game breakers, it just needs to play lock down defense in their end.
Also forgot that Jones can play one of the Florida/Tampa games and that makes sense and allows the other goalies to focus on the team they likely play in game 1.</div></div>
I mean Sammy did technically steal a game in the playoffs Game 6
I remember that was a duel between 2 Russian goalies and it was fierce
When he just barely caught that Stamkos one timer to keep it 1-1, the 2 on 1 save on Eysimmont in OT, what a game
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 19 h 16
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Why would u start Sammy vs. TBL when TBL and specifically Kucherov has had his number
Sammy should get DET, Woll TBL, and Jones FLA to just allow for no injuries
Also thats a pretty ignorant statement none of the goalies have stolen games
Did you forget the WPG game
Sammy stole that and thats when we knew he was back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJoIIr_pPQc&ab_channel=SPORTSNET
Still remember him stopping 4 shots on a 2-0 and Keefe benching the big 4. And look at the shots 13mins through the 2nd....
Game 6 vs. TBL last year also robbed them a few times before JT won them the series
Woll also has some moments here and there before the injury. Not full on steals but close</div></div>
I would never rely on Samsonov to steal a game, if anything he is more likely to be the cause of loss.
Samsonov play last night was a joke, he does not get a pass because it is that close to playoff time, .
That type of play gave him pass early on, the time for it now is over.
I'd rather take a chance on Woll simply because betting him now will pay dividends in the future.
I think it's funny that you constantly tote Samsonov's horn but are afraid to play him VS Tampa, yeah that the thinking that get us to succeed in the plays... playing afraid.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 14 h 32
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
Special teams are something that are gonna be the big talk rn and in these next 3 games we need to see some progress
So far in April 2 goals on 16 opportunities and whats the big concern is in February they had 28 opportunities and converted on 14 of them, then in March 44 opportunities and converted on 4 of them
With this teams struggle to draw a lot of PP's need to be able to convert on the one's we get. Yes despite having Matthews, Marner, JT, Nylander this seems to happen to often
Cause in the playoffs were gonna need everything clicking and if our PP or PK cant get it done were toast
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 15 h 57
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>For the remaining games I'd start Woll vs Detroit and Florida and Sammy vs Tampa.
As of right now, for me Sammy is the game 1 starter but of course the leash is going to be short.
None of these goalies have shown they can steal games or series so...my expectations for goaltending is to keep the team in the game, nothing more, nothing less.</div></div>
I would say that is very untrue. Both Sammy and Woll can steal games, both have done so this season on multiple occasions. What's more important those is for our goalies to not lose us games. Samsonov definitely does that at times. And has a history of it. This season he had a month straight of blowing games. Woll's problem was health related. Got unlucky with a sprained ankle and has worked himself back into game shape. He should be the starter for sure. So long as the leafs play well in front of Woll he's very unlikely to hurt us. Likely wins us some games. Sammy can do that as well but we know by now that he's also going to have moments where he loses focus and it will cost us. I just wouldn't take the risk. He flops all over the place making athletic saves but sometimes it burns him and it's harder to play with a guy like vs a poised positional guy. Start Woll
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 14 h 16
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>For the remaining games I'd start Woll vs Detroit and Florida and Sammy vs Tampa.
As of right now, for me Sammy is the game 1 starter but of course the leash is going to be short.
None of these goalies have shown they can steal games or series so...my expectations for goaltending is to keep the team in the game, nothing more, nothing less.</div></div>
Why would u start Sammy vs. TBL when TBL and specifically Kucherov has had his number
Sammy should get DET, Woll TBL, and Jones FLA to just allow for no injuries
Also thats a pretty ignorant statement none of the goalies have stolen games
Did you forget the WPG game
Sammy stole that and thats when we knew he was back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJoIIr_pPQc&ab_channel=SPORTSNET
Still remember him stopping 4 shots on a 2-0 and Keefe benching the big 4. And look at the shots 13mins through the 2nd....
Game 6 vs. TBL last year also robbed them a few times before JT won them the series
Woll also has some moments here and there before the injury. Not full on steals but close
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Toronto Maple Leafs
11 avr. à 12 h 23
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>Admittedly, I don't have as much experience as you do. However, "Don Cherry's Hockey Greats & More" says otherwise. He goes through the whole situation of what happened in the '92 expansion on pages 59 and 60, and I would go into more detail here but I'm not sure how much I can share without violating copyright. In addition, didn't Jim Balsille make a bunch of different attempts to bring an NHL team to Hamilton?</div></div>
Jim Balsille made an attempt to bring the Coyotes (or was it Nashville) to Hamilton much later than 1992...I'm guessing 2004. The city of Hamilton made a presentation in 1990 at the expansion meeting, but no owner, put up even 100,000 dollars to make a presentation. Hey I think a Hamilton team would have been successful, but obviously people with money.Ron Joyce of Tim Hortons. was a candidate didn't want to pony up the money.
As we saw with the Sens, and their expansion team, it was shell game, based upon the arena and real estate. Ottawa was lucky to hold onto their franchise the later owners bailed out the bankrupt Sens.
Even Tampa had financial problems with their initial owner. They were bailed out by the current owner too.
A former business associate, talked about bringing a team to Markham Ontario. He had the money for a franchise, (in the Seattle expansion) but wanted the city of Markham to give him the land for an arena, and to pay any operating deficients for the arena. The city said no.
Don Cherry? Don't know if relying facts in his book. Don is just is trying to portray his "blue collar image" of defending Canada and the people of Hamilton. The folks in Hamilton still blame Leafs ownership for whatever reason.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
11 avr. à 10 h 19
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>By alienating groups of people, are you referring to Canadian hockey fans? I know a team in Hamilton or Quebec City would bring in a lot more revenue than Arizona and maybe other existing teams. As for "inclusivity", it depends on what you mean. If you're referring to the "Pride Nights", remember that they were a disaster last season and Provorov jerseys sold out after he stood up against it.</div></div>
I can remember the WHA and the great support the Nordiques had in Quebec in both the WHA and NHL back in the 70s and 80s.. Quebec and area has a small population and not a great amount of businesses. I question if the a Quebec could constantly draw 14,000 paying fans at current NHL ticket prices. Hamilton? When the NHL expanded, and Ottawa and Tampa were accepted, Hamilton had the chance to enter. But there was NO owner for the Hamilton franchise. Hard to have a franchise when no one was willing to put 100m (or whatever it was) to be an NHL owner.
Too many of the awarded franchises, have been to owners who have based their ownership on a house of cards real estate, arena,. Lots of so called NHL owners, haven't had much interest in the NHL team but were trying to get their money from the other means surrounding the arena. I really don't see all the love for Salt Lake City. The population greater SSC is 500,000 and the population Utah is 3.3m. Sure they have an arena, but do they have revenue to substain an NHL franchise, year after year?
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