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Toronto Maple Leafs
il y a 18 heures
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I know people using stats to attack Marner dont
The moment we see Ilya Lybushkin second in XGF shoot em into the sun
Marner's been fine this series. He's taking on the defensive assignments, he's been fine, dont be silly
</div></div>
Fine is not good enough. If the Leafs want to have tangible playoff success, Marner has to be way better than fine.
When you make 10-11 sheets a year, that comes with added responsibilities, added pressures and yeah he's going to get critiqued moreso than the non core players.
He pits the media and fans as if what people say control his play. Go out and play, show why you're a top player in this league WHEN IT MATTERS.
Matthews really brought it in way last night that I haven't seen before and it refreshing to see. Good on him!
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 1 h 44
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>To me put him with Matthews next year. We cant bring back Bertuzzi anyway if we want to improve this Dcore why cant he play with him
Like if Robertson had 14 goals and 13 assists for 27 points in 56 games if we give him more mins and he plays all 82 games I could see a 20-25 goal 50 point guy easily
Can apply the same to McMann (when healthy) and other guys one day.</div></div>
I like this idea. Also..consider how Robbie will look under a different coach. Actually that can be applied to all the young players on this team.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Hier à 1 h 41
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>Good win all around, if they can play like that for the rest of the series I think they can pull off the win here. Definitely don’t want to get overconfident but if they play like we know they can, they got this.</div></div>
Yep, that we can agree on. Problem is, that doesn't happen every game.
I'm gonna go one step further and say Matthews has to build on this effort tonight especially when you consider Marner really hasn't done much in this series so far.
As for the goaltending...well, playing like this will really help both goalies and will need both IMO.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 9 h 0
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Going to start manifesting it now, I need Juuse Saros to be a Leaf in 2024 🤞🤞</div></div>
Saros might have made a save on one of those turnovers but to think he would save them all is silly.
Need to cut down on turnovers and mental mistakes. Yes, gotta be physical but if you're taking yourself completely out of the play, the hit is unnecessary.
Also shots vs high danger chances. Getting shots on goal is good but there just wasn't enough high danger chances.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 8 h 45
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Also forgot to say I know people yell at the goalie but your on the ball with it
Goal 2 who some calls the backbreaker
Dangle on his review highlighted something that should be embarrassing
5 leafs are back against Debrusk and he wins the puck battle to Carlo and its in but even before that 2 giveaways lead to that chaos.
If we continue gifting Boston grade A chances like that to where Sammy has to go SOTY to stop it book the golfcourse were done. He might catch one or two of those but yea No goalie is stopping it all the time. The silliness with Woll needs to stop he also struggled vs. BOS and same results lul
Game 2 they better play much better especially the Matthews line otherwise were not going anywhere.
Not worried we saw this last year and Sammy in the end outdueled Vasi. But they need to play much smarter and support him and he just needs to be good and make the saves when needed no need to go fancy</div></div>
Yep. I know a few of us here feel that if Woll was in net things would be different but strictly from how the team had turnovers and just mental mistakes, Woll is not going to save the team from that.
Already said it but the Leafs don't have the luxury to play as loose as they did in game 1.
Also, Keefe please...take Rielly off the PP and put Liljegren in.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 1 h 50
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Reminds me of last year game 1 honestly everything went wrong. One diff PP scored twice lul</div></div>
The PP tonight was aweful but what else is new? After watching the PP, someone said to me jokingly "looks like we are in playoff form" and man...the feeling just sucked.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
dim. à 1 h 45
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>If you think everyone was just bad then we watched a different game. Clearly there were issues but the Leafs out shot and out hit Boston. Moneypuck has the expected goals at 7.4 to 3.7 in favour of Toronto.
The lesson I take is that we need more of what we got from the first line. Boston was doing the same **** but since everyone does it nobody gets called. On Toronto it stands out when Domi or Bert do it cause nobody else does.
Also the two high sticks are complete flukes, wouldn't read into it.
In terms of the goalie. If it's going to be a tight checking defensive game then we need Woll. Sammy will give you the brilliant save that Woll won't but he also lets in a bunch of ****ty screenshots like 2 of the goals today that Woll rarely allows. I'd rather give up the 1 goal on a crazy play that Sammy would save and get stability that this team didn't have this game. That 2nd goal was a backbreaker. Never goes in on Woll.</div></div>
Early in the first period the Leafs were keeping up with the play but as soon as the unnecessary hit by Reaves and the pinch by Edmundson at the same time the Bruins carried the play.
These goalies we have can make routine saves but as soon as the D or forward group make mistakes, all bets are off. The goal where the Boston player was able to get to Sammy without a Leafs player between him and Sammy is just bad defense. If there's going to be more chances like this one in the series, forget the game no chance at winning the series.
As for Matthews and the talk about shots vs shot attempts, bottom line is the stars have to score. It's why they get the big bucks and if the stats line is going to be zero, zero, zero, good luck winning anything.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
mer. à 17 h 38
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I mean, look at Hyman... He's doing just fine taking the same abuse, look at Bunting and there are others</div></div>
Yeah I don't know Hyman's age but he's not 35-36 and generally at those ages is when these types of players really drop off. It's what I was thinking of when imagining a long term deal for Bertuzzi.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 9 h 40
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>With the season he had would be shocked if anyone gives 6m
He may have to sign another prove it as man for the first half he was lost</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Bert's not going to get to though... Not enough cap, I see Bert getting a 4.5-5 mill deal on a long term contract</div></div>
Even at 5-5.5 million (which I think he would settle for) on a long term deal is not something Leafs can do. Also with the style he and Domi play where it gets physical at times (specifically Bertuzzi in front of the net) these types of players don't age well.
This is why I think they will want long term deals and for them, this might be their last contract because of the above reasons.
Edit: Meant to also say that there's always a team willing to overpay in free agency. I don't on't need to provide a list of players and you don't even have to look beyond this team to see this.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 2 h 20
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>I agree that at times Sheldon is an easy target but having played to a high level I can say from what I see he is a really bad coach.
I'll give you a few reasons why I think this:
1. A common problem I see with the leafs (especially on the PP and in transition) is that they overthink everything. Their PP id actually at its best when individuals are chasing stats because then at least everyone is feeding Matthews or Knies or Bert or whoever is chasing the milestone/hatty/etc. I blame Keefe for this. If you read any "behind the scenes" on Keefe he's a massive strategists and he's know for studying other games, teams, sports and constantly proposing new ideas but rarely acting on them. Essentially the way he coaches (loads of thinking and strategizing with minimal action) is exactly how the team plays on the ice.
2. Team doesn't show up on time or for big games. Having played AAA to the point where teammates respect each other more than the coach (likely the situation in the Leafs room) one of the main things a coach needs to still be capable of doing in that environment is motivating the team. If he losses that control/respect then he is reliant on team members to do this. Some teams (like the early 2010s rangers had a strong leadership core and this was fine) but the Leafs don't have that and if Keefe isn't doing it then it seems nobody is (maybe this is changing we've seen Tavares and Rielly specifically be more engaged this year).
3. Lack of adjustments. O'Reilly essentially called him out for it last year but Keefe defaults back to certain players and combinations when the team struggles. Despite all his strategizing he doesn't rearrange his team to meet the tasks at hand, he rearranges them to what worked in the past. If things go south you'll see Rielly/Brodie, Mathews/Marner, Jarnkrok in the top 6, Lili's ice time down. This is just his default and it shouldn't be. He should be more flexible and adapt based on what is needed to win. Maybe that means that the Leafs trust their bottom 9 is better than Bostons given their depth issues so they load up Nylander/Matthews/Marner to make sure they win the top line matchup. Idk what the series will need but I'm pretty confident Keefe won't deliver.</div></div>
I've tried to convey some of the same things you have pointed out here but Idon't know if some of us are in agreement with these things.
Starting on time and inspiring the team to elevate their play are two things that have been a consistent problem under Keefe.
As for the playoffs matchup, Boston and Florida play similar enough in the ratty ways and I feel it didn't matter which team they'd play.
Start on time and handle the ratty situations smartly. But yeah..I'm not confident sadly.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
17 avr. à 2 h 10
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Why not:
Bert (4.5)-Matthews- Domi (3 mill)
McMann-JT-Marner
Knies-Holmberg-Willy
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves
Rielly-5.5 UFA defensemen
McCabe-Lilly (2.5 mill)
Benoit-3 mill defensemen
Niemela
Woll
Martin Jones type backup
Extras whom have the waiver exempt and can be brought up in case of emergency:
Hirvonen
Niemela
Riafali
Hildeby
Minten
CAP SPACE: 2.4 mill
It sounds like a good plan to me</div></div>
Your numbers for Bertuzzi are off, not because I think it's something I couldn't live with but because Bertuzzi is probably looking at 6 million/year on a long term deal. That's simply not something the Leafs can do.
As for Domi, sure maybe he can be talked into staying because his history as a kid in the city/team/building but I think he will want a long term deal as well...not sure that can be done.
As for a goalie, I don't think it's wise to go with a Martin Jones type goalie/contract. Woll still has to prove he can stay healthy...I'm skeptical that he can so spending on a goaltender is probably a necessity.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
13 avr. à 2 h 49
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>U cant really blame Keefe when he's not in charge of the PP
Boucher is and in Feb PP was 50% but then March it just went south and while it has been a bit better for April its not substantial
And Rielly really aint the issue for the PP as through the years its been top 10 with him on unit 1, if anything this is just the setup and system needing adjusting once teams figure it out. As u can see the backpass to either Marner or Matthews eats 30 seconds off the clock and then they struggle to set up. Teams expect it and just wait. Whoever has it should just carry it not wait and drop pass
Article is a good read https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2024/04/01/why-did-the-maple-leafs-power-play-fall-off-a-cliff-in-march-a-look-at-the-game-tape/</div></div>
Keefe is the head coach. He takes the heat for everything because ultimately it falls on him to make the best decisions possible.
Do you think if Keefe disagreed on Rielly's use on the powerplay that he'd still be there? Absolutely not.
He has the last call on coaching decisions regarding of who is running the powerplay or penalty kill etc.
Who is the one answering the tough questions after games? It's not any of the assistants. There's a reason why.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 22 h 56
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Special teams are something that are gonna be the big talk rn and in these next 3 games we need to see some progress
So far in April 2 goals on 16 opportunities and whats the big concern is in February they had 28 opportunities and converted on 14 of them, then in March 44 opportunities and converted on 4 of them
With this teams struggle to draw a lot of PP's need to be able to convert on the one's we get. Yes despite having Matthews, Marner, JT, Nylander this seems to happen to often
Cause in the playoffs were gonna need everything clicking and if our PP or PK cant get it done were toast</div></div>
You know what's disheartening about the powerplay? That Keefe hasn't figured out that Rielly doesn't work there. He has zero shot and can't get it passed the defenders which makes him useless there.
Keefe doing Keefe things...what a surprise.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 22 h 51
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Why would u start Sammy vs. TBL when TBL and specifically Kucherov has had his number
Sammy should get DET, Woll TBL, and Jones FLA to just allow for no injuries
Also thats a pretty ignorant statement none of the goalies have stolen games
Did you forget the WPG game
Sammy stole that and thats when we knew he was back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJoIIr_pPQc&ab_channel=SPORTSNET
Still remember him stopping 4 shots on a 2-0 and Keefe benching the big 4. And look at the shots 13mins through the 2nd....
Game 6 vs. TBL last year also robbed them a few times before JT won them the series
Woll also has some moments here and there before the injury. Not full on steals but close</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>I would say that is very untrue. Both Sammy and Woll can steal games, both have done so this season on multiple occasions. What's more important those is for our goalies to not lose us games. Samsonov definitely does that at times. And has a history of it. This season he had a month straight of blowing games. Woll's problem was health related. Got unlucky with a sprained ankle and has worked himself back into game shape. He should be the starter for sure. So long as the leafs play well in front of Woll he's very unlikely to hurt us. Likely wins us some games. Sammy can do that as well but we know by now that he's also going to have moments where he loses focus and it will cost us. I just wouldn't take the risk. He flops all over the place making athletic saves but sometimes it burns him and it's harder to play with a guy like vs a poised positional guy. Start Woll</div></div>
So...my comments were specifically about the playoffs. I realize both of these guys have stolen games in the regular season but the playoffs are a different story.
Anyway I think it's a recipe for disaster to count on the goalies to play like Vasi, Hellebyuck and Shesterkin do.
The forwards and D-core just need to be better. This team has the game breakers, it just needs to play lock down defense in their end.
Also forgot that Jones can play one of the Florida/Tampa games and that makes sense and allows the other goalies to focus on the team they likely play in game 1.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
12 avr. à 14 h 0
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
For the remaining games I'd start Woll vs Detroit and Florida and Sammy vs Tampa.
As of right now, for me Sammy is the game 1 starter but of course the leash is going to be short.
None of these goalies have shown they can steal games or series so...my expectations for goaltending is to keep the team in the game, nothing more, nothing less.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
11 avr. à 17 h 58
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Jim Balsille made an attempt to bring the Coyotes (or was it Nashville) to Hamilton much later than 1992...I'm guessing 2004. The city of Hamilton made a presentation in 1990 at the expansion meeting, but no owner, put up even 100,000 dollars to make a presentation. Hey I think a Hamilton team would have been successful, but obviously people with money.Ron Joyce of Tim Hortons. was a candidate didn't want to pony up the money.
As we saw with the Sens, and their expansion team, it was shell game, based upon the arena and real estate. Ottawa was lucky to hold onto their franchise the later owners bailed out the bankrupt Sens.
Even Tampa had financial problems with their initial owner. They were bailed out by the current owner too.
A former business associate, talked about bringing a team to Markham Ontario. He had the money for a franchise, (in the Seattle expansion) but wanted the city of Markham to give him the land for an arena, and to pay any operating deficients for the arena. The city said no.
Don Cherry? Don't know if relying facts in his book. Don is just is trying to portray his "blue collar image" of defending Canada and the people of Hamilton. The folks in Hamilton still blame Leafs ownership for whatever reason.</div></div>
Hamilton was an option for Balsile but if I'm remembering correctly, he actually wanted to move the team to Kitchener-Waterloo.
Remember NYI ownership issues before Charles Wong took over? Yeah disastrous.
Before Pittsburgh got Crosby/Malkin/the new arena there was talk of the Penguins leaving Pittsburgh.
Before Terry Pegula took over the Buffalo Sabres, they heading towards relocation too.
All under Gary Bettman. It's time...move on Gary.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
11 avr. à 17 h 50
Sujet:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>By alienating groups of people, are you referring to Canadian hockey fans? I know a team in Hamilton or Quebec City would bring in a lot more revenue than Arizona and maybe other existing teams. As for "inclusivity", it depends on what you mean. If you're referring to the "Pride Nights", remember that they were a disaster last season and Provorov jerseys sold out after he stood up against it.</div></div>
Pride Nights, Canadian hockey fans, the handling of the presence of racism at various levels within the NHL.
These things are all encompassing and really very easy to address but instead we have players leading the charge on these issues where the league should be the one taking the charge, especially if NHL HQ really believes that the league and sport is globally for everyone.
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Armchair-GM
11 avr. à 1 h 35
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Salt lake offseason
Remember the days of people posting Leafs ACGM's with Matthews gone to Arizona?
How stupid does that idea look now? To think that a top player in the NHL would go play for clown organization like Arizona...LoL
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Toronto Maple Leafs
11 avr. à 1 h 31
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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I'm no fan of Bettman and the NHL executive. But the facts are the NHL owners, hire Bettman and his cronies. The owners have to power to get another commish. The NHL owners are the ones vote to allow franchises to join the league. Unfortunately there are so many owners who got into the league because of Bettman, they are his allies. Plus NHL owners just love dividing up the expansion fees with no respect that failing franchises cost money eventually.</div></div>
I realize that, it's just too bad these owners don't have long-term vision for success regarding franchises because if they did, they would make more money via fees, gate and TV revenue, nevermind the merchandise sales. It requires patience and vetting potential owners properly as opposed to what Bettman and company have done.
There's not just expansion failures. This commissioner can't even get inclusivity right which BTW would help bring in more revenue but hey, let's alienate groups of people based on how business has been conducted in the past.
A big eff you to that Arizona franchise.
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Toronto Maple Leafs
10 avr. à 18 h 27
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>It's immensely insane to call Woll inconsistent but give Sammy a pass. The only thing Sammy is 100% consistent at is giving up bad goals and sometimes floundering all together. Just look at his career playoff numbers. Even vs Tampa he had 2 really bad games. Vs Florida his numbers looked better but terrible goals killed him. He's not trust worthy. Never has been and this season is an exclamation point on that. It's nuts how everyone just ignores that.</div></div>
I was one of the first to call Sammy inconsistent but I'm also not blind to that either. Ride the hot hand until it's not hot. Woll has been inconsistent since his injury and no doubt he's the goalie of the future but game 1 starter is pretty clear.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Well. RIP Arizona. This was overdue</div></div>
I wish I could like this post 10 million times more.
Screw Gary Bettman and Bill Daly and all those old white men. Time to retire and let forward thinking people take the league and sport in a better direction than you morons ever could.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I mean Jones playoff numbers really aint bad
32-27-0 2.36gaa and a .917sv
If either got hurt or underperformed would be fine with Jones backing up/starting if absolutely needed
Murray should be #4 reserves</div></div>
Yeah...my main point was Murray's playoff history and if the Leafs have to go someone other than their 2 tandem guys...might as well roll the dice and see if Murray can do something like he did in Pittsburgh.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>No he's not played an entire season why would he even be a convo.
He's the #4 at this point</div></div>
Let's say one of Samsonov or Woll get injured and the other isn't very good....what's your plan?
Mine would be to give Murray a start. Can always go to Jones afterwards if required but the main point is Murray is finally healthy after not addressing his health issues for a few years. Also considering Murray's playoff history, he isn't a bad option.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Robertson first game back and scores
Next year when Bertuzzi walks he's gonna look nice next to Matthews and Domi</div></div>
He just needs a coach who believes in him. I really hope he's not traded in the off season and if there's a new coach, that means he'll get a shot at being a regular.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>I've seen man-games lost to injury.
How about $-games lost to injury. or point-games lost to injury based on salary $/game OR points/game prior to the injury.</div></div>
That wasn't the point I was trying to make but...yeah.
I'm just ready for a coach who knows what they are doing instead of whatever Keefe has done/is trying to do here now. Perhaps a coaching change is what these players need to take the locked in approach to zeroing in on details.
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