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Forum: Armchair-GM15 mars 2022 à 8 h 26
Sujet: Chariot is getting a first
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FiveForFighting</b></div><div>Josh Manson - 30 yo rental
45GP 4G 5A 9PTS
TOI 19:51 2,050,000 cap hit (50%)
No recent playoffs experience.

Ben Chiarot - 30 yo rental
54GP 7G 11A 18PTS
TOI 23:33 1,750,000 cap hit (50%)
Just came off an impressive cup final appearance.

Manson has 6 goals total in his last 3 seasons lol Chiarot has 9pts in his last 10 games. Anyone who says Manson is better hasn’t watched Chiarot shut down opposing team’s best players in the Playoffs last year.</div></div>

i get your point and i think there pretty equal players. however the habs don't have the choices anahiem does with blueliners. if chiarot was in anahiem he wouldn't get that ice time and opportunity offensively. on top of that like you said 9pts in the last 10 games is just a hot streak. i expect him to get the same package and manson.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 mars 2022 à 6 h 34
Sujet: Chariot is getting a first
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Manson is both better than Chiarot and right handed</div></div>

the day that Manson will play 28 minutes in SCF I will agree ;) !! They both can play top4 minutes, but top2 I don't think that josh can rack up those minutes. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div>and its not even close. everything about chiarots analytics and play sucks, yet somehow GMs are willing to part with an absurd price? Colorado is smart for getting the guy who was better and not in the spotlight. Whoever gets Chiarot will both be memed and flamed.</div></div>

Remember this : Chiarot add those number with a bubble team ... where Manson is in an aging playoff team that had a downfall. Things are that Chiarot can also play both side. the value of such player can be a tad higher for a team looking for a minutes muncher.

Manson is going to be a good filler but not a top pairing d-man in a playoff run.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG10 mars 2022 à 9 h 48
Forum: Fauteuil - DG10 mars 2022 à 9 h 8
Sujet: NYR trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>I mean, the numbers don't lie, but it's important to remember that Savard was quite literally the only RD available at the deadline last year, and it was really the only hole that Tampa had to fill...They paid for him to be a top 4 defenceman. When it comes to physicality, it's a direct result of not having the puck. Hits are fun to watch, but they're completely overrated.

When it comes to LD's, and Chiarot, he's *possibly* the 3rd best LD on the market (Though you could argue that there are even more options outside of him), and the number of teams that are actually in the market for one *should* look at Lindholm and Gio long before they settle for Chiarot. There's also a good chance that there'll be a couple of surprise guys with term left.

All that being said, it won't shock me if some dummy living in the 80's decides to neglect how bad he has been, and overpays for him.</div></div>

Anaheim is trying to resign Lindholm so he could potentially be off the market. I want to share with you an analysis someone did on another website. It might clear the waters a bit on why Habs fans feel like he is the best option for some teams.

<em>Teams that are rumored to want a D man at the deadline:

- St. Louis

- Toronto

- Edmonton

- Florida

- Boston

- LA

- Carolina

- Ana (if they trade Lindholm)

- Dal (if they trade Klingberg)

- Calgary

- NY Rangers

- Tampa Bay

- Nashville



So that's at least 13 teams with needs. Will they all go out and get someone? No. But there are a lot of suitors, even with multiple sellers.

Now who are the key D men available?

- Chiarot (making 3.5M)

- Giordano (making 6.75M)

- Ristolainen (Philly may re-sign, but making 5.4M)

- Manson (making 4.1M, has partial NTC)

- Chychrun (but he's on a long-term deal and teams like Philly could also get involved here even if not in the playoff race this season)

- Klingberg (pending UFA making 4.25M but Dallas being in the playoff race isn't going to retain salary)

- Lindholm (pending UFA making 5.2M but Anaheim may re-sign and even if they don't, they're unlikely to retain much salary here)

- De Haan (making 4.55M)

- Subban (making 9M)

- Leddy (making 5.5M)



So look at that list... the Habs can retain 50% salary on Chiarot easily, so he's easily the cheapest contract to take on of all the top D men known to be on the block. Now who is potentially ranked ahead of Chiarot as an option talent-wise? Chychrun obviously, but he's in a different class of acquisition. Lindholm, who may not become available. Klingberg and Giordano. I'd say that's about it. So Chiarot is on the friendliest contract to absorb and there really aren't enough great options available for all the teams with rumored needs. Some teams may be waiting to hear what happens with a Lindholm first or may want to know how much salary Seattle will retain on Giordano. But I think once a decision is made on Lindholm and/or someone bites on one of Lindholm/Giordano/Klingberg, the floodgates will open. Say Giordano goes back to Calgary and Lindholm goes to Boston, for example. Well now you're Florida or St. Louis or Toronto or Edmonton and you want to shore up your D for a Cup run... are you giving up a mid-round pick for a Justin Braun and hoping that moves the needle or are you taking on at least 4.5M AAV to get Subban or 4.25M to get Klingberg or 1.75M to get Chiarot? I think he's going to be seen as the best option by at least some teams.</em>
Forum: Fauteuil - DG10 mars 2022 à 8 h 49
Sujet: NYR trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mastersp4</b></div><div>I forgot people are harsh on Ben Chariote here. I Know that he's not worth the value of some fans who try some trade here. But he's clearly not as bad that some people try to pretend here either. I mean Savard had comparable metric when he's been trade to TB. And Chariot is more physics than Savard.</div></div>

I mean, the numbers don't lie, but it's important to remember that Savard was quite literally the only RD available at the deadline last year, and it was really the only hole that Tampa had to fill...They paid for him to be a top 4 defenceman. When it comes to physicality, it's a direct result of not having the puck. Hits are fun to watch, but they're completely overrated.

When it comes to LD's, and Chiarot, he's *possibly* the 3rd best LD on the market (Though you could argue that there are even more options outside of him), and the number of teams that are actually in the market for one *should* look at Lindholm and Gio long before they settle for Chiarot. There's also a good chance that there'll be a couple of surprise guys with term left.

All that being said, it won't shock me if some dummy living in the 80's decides to neglect how bad he has been, and overpays for him.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 févr. 2022 à 14 h 56