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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>I'll step in here, in essence Ducks deal is in my eyes

Lily for Manson
Imo leafs add a second and its done (if just Lily and manson involved)

Then you have Marner for Rakell + ND
Which is an absolute fleece for the Ducks even with Cap space being considered thye take that and run as far away from Dubas as possible before he can reconsider</div></div>

IMO Marner + 2nd would for Rackell + Manson + Deslaurier would get it done. IMO Marner has to be value as a top 10 RW in the league that is still only 22 years old. Marner makes the ducks a better team Manson + Rackell makes the Leafs a better team fair trade overall IMO.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vr1995</b></div><div>manson was an AHL d until he was 24 years old, and liljegren will be in the NHL at 21, you know nothing, give it up</div></div>

Liljegren will be 21 in 28 days. Go to bed out of it. The only reason he would be a NHL defenseman is because the Leafs defense is horrible.

Moral of the story, the leafs will need to trade one of the big 3 10M + players they have eventually. With the salary cap in place teams cannot compete with 3 10M+ pieces in their lineup. 30M devoted to 3 players is unreasonable, especially when neither of them is your most important player. Just like the Blackhawks with Buff, Leddy, Ladd, ect. they moved on and replaced with assets and 'Lesser' places to stay deep and competitive through their 3 cups. and notice when they gave Toews and Kane 10.5M they dropped out of contention.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Nope, Nylander was paid right in the middle of his com parables. Matthews literally has no comparable for how he scores goals (IE the best player at it at even strength in the entire NHL), and the only close comparable is McDavid who decided on his own to take a massive discount so he really isnt a comparable at all.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>Only market value contract was tavares
Out of the big 4</div></div>

None of those contracts are market value unless you're comparing the bad contracts that are thrown around ruining cap for other teams. McDavid makes 12.5 and Edmonton is pushed against the cap ceiling unable to compete.

Same with SJS and LA with Karlson and Doughty. Did you notice that as soon as Kane and Toews both signed their Massive 10.5M extensions that Chicago started going out of their cap window?

Teams will have trouble competing with these massive contracts one, can be lived with but multiple is too rough. With the way the cap is now 10M is reasonable but when teams start pushing multiple players at 11M and 12M that's when the playoff picture becomes unattainable due to the inability to have role players on these teams.

Everybody makes the comparison to the percentage of Crosby and Malkins contracts to the cap back when they signed their deals to now with the new deals being signed. But the problem with that is that after signing those to contracts with the best 1-2 center punch in the league, a top 5 goalie and top end defenseman at the time they still went on a 7 year cup drought. Untill the cap went up and they were able to sign key role players like Nick Bonino Hornquist, ect. to replace the guys they couldn't afford after their first cup like Jordan Stall.

It's not that the contracts that are being signed are bad contracts, but its that teams with these massive are going to have to wait to compete on them until the cap goes up and they can get role players to be able to be fit in around them. It's one of the reasons Chicago was so good for so long, that they refused for a long time to give out big extensions, Keith and Seabrook used to be on great contracts. Toews and Kane waited for their massive contracts.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Spezza, Kerfoot and Muzzin are all on 'team friendly' deals. They arnt steals, but they are not even remote over payments. Tavares took less money from toronto than offered by other markets and Matthews contract is fine. Marner is the only over pay. And the funny thing about having 4 elite scoring players is that you do need to pay them like that, especially when they all come due at the same time. The only one of those Dubas had any control over was Tavares.
Next year Tampa has the same issue only 9.5 million of theirs is taken up by a goalie who isnt worth that. They are also paying 3 guys 5+ million to play in their bottom 6 most games. I'd rather over pay Marner by 2 million than over pay Palat, Killorn, Mcdonagh and Tyler Johnson by 1.5 million each, or Jamie Benn and Joe Pavelski by 3 million each, or Bobrovski, Matheson Yandle and Straleman by 3 million each.
at least the leafs players are earning their money most nights</div></div>

Muzzin is signed at 5.6 until he is 35. That is not team friendly, Johnsson and Kappenen have bridge deals that are market value I.E not cap friendly. Spezza is a team friendly contract, and Kerfoote is an over payed 3C, Toronto can not afford to pay their 3C more than 3M when their top two make a combined 22M. So the only 'Team friendly' Contract was Spezza.

Toronto screwed them selves with Kadri they had a great 2C (50-60pt excellent two way center) on an amazing contract that they completely got screwed up when signing Tavares. As nice of a player Tavares was to come along he completely screwed up their cap situation. That is why you rarely see big name free agents moving in the offseason cause it either screws up teams or teams that are competing cant afford it, and when a lot of money is given to FA's it tends to back fire, look at Pavelski, Backes, Lucic, Neal, ect. Instead of Matthews wanting 10M like Eichel, he immediately wanted more than Tavares. Then instead of Marner wanting 9M like Rantenen or even lower he jumped up cause everyone else was payed more. Without Tavares Toronto Essentially would have saved roughly 15M on the cap and would be able to bolster their defense and have a much more complete lineup. Instead now with each season they become more top heavy, they still have no defense and no plan going forward with how too deal with upcoming UFA's, they only thing they can do is pray the Cap Jumps up significantly, WHICH it will not do with the economy the way it is right now.

Either way back to the original topic of this conversation, Mikheyev the same as Zaitsev when he came over as a 24 year old will be getting a reasonable contract for 3 years similar but slightly less than Danton Heinen or he will take 1 year at roughly 1.5M to prove him self before another big jump. Otherwise he will go back to the KHL.
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