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Leafs 2020-2021

Créé par: Trevorchef
Date de création initiale: avr 2, 2020
Publié: Apr 2 at 8:43 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
Assuming the cap stays where it is...

Four balanced lines with puck pursuit, scoring and a little bit of jam.
Three balanced D Pairs with a true shut down second pair.

Which team says no?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya21 500 000 $
Dermott, Travis22 250 000 $
Bracco, Jeremy21 000 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1800 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Larsson, Adam
EDM
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Dermott, Travis
TOR
  1. Deslauriers, Nicolas
  2. Manson, Josh
  3. Rakell, Rickard
ANA
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
TOR
  1. Bennett, Sam
CGY
  1. Korshkov, Yegor
  2. Bracco, Jeremy
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $80 596 643 $0 $0 $903 357 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
3 789 444 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
CGY
Bennett, Sam
2 550 000 $
AD, C, AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
800 000 $
C, AD
UFA
ANA
Deslauriers, Nicolas
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Larsson, Adam
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
ANA
Manson, Josh
4 100 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Rosén, Calle
750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1

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2 avr à 9 h 31
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Banni
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Bracco isn't getting 1million. Just trade his player rights.
2 avr à 9 h 38
#2
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hard to get over how bad the ducks trade is, wow
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2 avr à 9 h 44
#3
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Quoting: Torontoleafs15
Bracco isn't getting 1million. Just trade his player rights.


I did that to see how it balanced with Calgary's cap. It isn't really relevant to the trade suggestion.
2 avr à 9 h 50
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I hate everything.
2 avr à 9 h 51
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Quoting: vr1995
hard to get over how bad the ducks trade is, wow


Well, to be honest, I don't expect that to be an unpopular opinion and I do agree that it is a heavy price. I'm looking at it from this perspective... The Leafs have far too much money allocated to four forwards. They also have an extreme deficiency on the right side of the D Core. Cap space is at a premium and I don't expect that the Ducks would want to give away three relatively core roster players for nothing. (Like some of the trade suggestions that I have seen in here).

I'm not even sure if they would consider a trade like this because the return may not work for them.

The bottom line for me is, anyone who thinks that a right side of some kind of combination of Holl, Liljegren and a wrong handed Dermott is good enough is absolutely delusional. Because it isn't even close to good enough. That needs to be addressed or the Leafs can expect to keep spinning their wheels in mediocrity.

Your feedback is appreciated, even though very limited.
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2 avr à 9 h 51
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Quoting: tomato43
I hate everything.


There's a shocker. (Rolls eyes).
2 avr à 9 h 53
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Not sure how the extra cap will work for Edmonton without a CBO, but I'll check and let you know.
2 avr à 9 h 57
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Quoting: CD282
Not sure how the extra cap will work for Edmonton without a CBO, but I'll check and let you know.


It has more to do with how many of their young D that they decide to graduate next year IMO. The difference is about +1.48 million to the OIl's cap.
2 avr à 10 h 06
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Well, to be honest, I don't expect that to be an unpopular opinion and I do agree that it is a heavy price. I'm looking at it from this perspective... The Leafs have far too much money allocated to four forwards. They also have an extreme deficiency on the right side of the D Core. Cap space is at a premium and I don't expect that the Ducks would want to give away three relatively core roster players for nothing. (Like some of the trade suggestions that I have seen in here).

I'm not even sure if they would consider a trade like this because the return may not work for them.

The bottom line for me is, anyone who thinks that a right side of some kind of combination of Holl, Liljegren and a wrong handed Dermott is good enough is absolutely delusional. Because it isn't even close to good enough. That needs to be addressed or the Leafs can expect to keep spinning their wheels in mediocrity.

Your feedback is appreciated, even though very limited.


Quoting: Trevorchef
Well, to be honest, I don't expect that to be an unpopular opinion and I do agree that it is a heavy price. I'm looking at it from this perspective... The Leafs have far too much money allocated to four forwards. They also have an extreme deficiency on the right side of the D Core. Cap space is at a premium and I don't expect that the Ducks would want to give away three relatively core roster players for nothing. (Like some of the trade suggestions that I have seen in here).

I'm not even sure if they would consider a trade like this because the return may not work for them.

The bottom line for me is, anyone who thinks that a right side of some kind of combination of Holl, Liljegren and a wrong handed Dermott is good enough is absolutely delusional. Because it isn't even close to good enough. That needs to be addressed or the Leafs can expect to keep spinning their wheels in mediocrity.

Your feedback is appreciated, even though very limited.


i truly do understand what you are saying, but this isnt the way to do it, this is panic button which we should not be at that stage when 3 of those 4 forwards havent even entered the prime of their careers yet. how many losses of the leafs this year can you truthfully say they played their hardest and just couldnt get the job done? people will try to blame dubas, theyll try to blame hutch/ lack of grit, etc but they stay away from the fact that this team just flat out didnt show up to play on most nights. and lets face it, people ignore the fact that fred was a roller coaster this year and has let in some goals that cant be let in but he also saves our ass alot, i know every team is gooing to have off nights but when you have the talent they do you cant be having waaaaay more off nights than on nights.this team has showed how good they can be when they are on but consistency is the number 1 thing and they need to find that. that rhd is the area of need and that should be the main focus this summer but this team has showed how solid they be even with that d core. they need to show up
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2 avr à 10 h 07
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Quoting: Trevorchef
It has more to do with how many of their young D that they decide to graduate next year IMO. The difference is about +1.48 million to the OIl's cap.


The trouble is, the Oilers have too many defensemen already, and more specifically too many lefties. Adding Dermott to the mix doesn't help at all - it brings their NHL LHD count to 6. So it basically comes down to Johnsson for Larsson, with a side issues for Edmonton of (a) taking on more cap and (b) worse lefty-righty imbalance.

I don't think it's worth it.
2 avr à 10 h 19
#11
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Quoting: CD282
The trouble is, the Oilers have too many defensemen already, and more specifically too many lefties. Adding Dermott to the mix doesn't help at all - it brings their NHL LHD count to 6. So it basically comes down to Johnsson for Larsson, with a side issues for Edmonton of (a) taking on more cap and (b) worse lefty-righty imbalance.

I don't think it's worth it.


Considering the Oilers lack of top six winger depth, Johnsson for Larsson may actually be worth it IMO. (Or perhaps the Leafs would need to add another lower tiered forward, I'm not sure). I don't expect may Oilers fans to chime in with anything positive to say about it to be honest. Those homer glasses are very thick.

I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for posting.
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Quoting: vr1995
i truly do understand what you are saying, but this isnt the way to do it, this is panic button which we should not be at that stage when 3 of those 4 forwards havent even entered the prime of their careers yet. how many losses of the leafs this year can you truthfully say they played their hardest and just couldnt get the job done? people will try to blame dubas, theyll try to blame hutch/ lack of grit, etc but they stay away from the fact that this team just flat out didnt show up to play on most nights. and lets face it, people ignore the fact that fred was a roller coaster this year and has let in some goals that cant be let in but he also saves our ass alot, i know every team is gooing to have off nights but when you have the talent they do you cant be having waaaaay more off nights than on nights.this team has showed how good they can be when they are on but consistency is the number 1 thing and they need to find that. that rhd is the area of need and that should be the main focus this summer but this team has showed how solid they be even with that d core. they need to show up


I disagree. That D core is garbage on the right side. It needs to change. (In a big way). Trading from a position of strength to address a position of weakness is the way to go IMO. There is no panic here at all.
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2 avr à 10 h 28
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Considering the Oilers lack of top six winger depth, Johnsson for Larsson may actually be worth it IMO. (Or perhaps the Leafs would need to add another lower tiered forward, I'm not sure). I don't expect may Oilers fans to chime in with anything positive to say about it to be honest. Those homer glasses are very thick.

I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for posting.


Holland just spent two 2nds on Athanasiou, I'm pretty sure he's got AA tabbed to be McDavid's winger going forward. Nugent-Hopkins is the other top-6 winger, so it's not like Edmonton is desperate for a top-6 LW going into the summer.

And the fact that I'm familiar with the Oilers depth chart doesn't equate to "homer glasses". I just don't see how Dermott has any value to the Oilers - he's not better than Klefbom or Nurse, and his salary expectations are going to be much higher than the $850K x 2 contract Jones just signed. Not to mention Lagesson who will come cheaper than Jones and Russell who still has a year left on his contract. That's five NHL options (not to mention 2 very good LHD prospects matriculating) - why on earth would Holland trade for a 6th guy who will want $2M+?
2 avr à 10 h 28
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I'll step in here, in essence Ducks deal is in my eyes

Lily for Manson
Imo leafs add a second and its done (if just Lily and manson involved)

Then you have Marner for Rakell + ND
Which is an absolute fleece for the Ducks even with Cap space being considered thye take that and run as far away from Dubas as possible before he can reconsider
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2 avr à 10 h 32
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Quoting: Trevorchef
I disagree. That D core is garbage on the right side. It needs to change. (In a big way). Trading from a position of strength to address a position of weakness is the way to go IMO. There is no panic here at all.


panic move
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Quoting: Salzy
I'll step in here, in essence Ducks deal is in my eyes

Lily for Manson
Imo leafs add a second and its done (if just Lily and manson involved)

Then you have Marner for Rakell + ND
Which is an absolute fleece for the Ducks even with Cap space being considered thye take that and run as far away from Dubas as possible before he can reconsider


thank you
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2 avr à 10 h 35
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Quoting: Salzy
I'll step in here, in essence Ducks deal is in my eyes

Lily for Manson
Imo leafs add a second and its done (if just Lily and manson involved)

Then you have Marner for Rakell + ND
Which is an absolute fleece for the Ducks even with Cap space being considered thye take that and run as far away from Dubas as possible before he can reconsider


I think you are way off here. If that were the essence of it getting done it probably would have already been done. The Ducks are not giving Manson away. Trading him now for an AHL defensman and a 2nd round pick seems out of the question in my eyes.

This has more to do with diversifying the cap dollars to fill team needs over one team fleecing another. (That was the genesis of it from my side of the fence anyways.)

Appreciate the feedback. Thanks for posting.
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2 avr à 10 h 35
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Quoting: vr1995
panic move


Not even close.
2 avr à 10 h 40
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Not even close.


theres gonna me multiple people in here that are gonna disagree with you and youre gonna be thick headed about it. 23 year old (top 10) over ppg winger who plays every aspect of the game and a 20 year old d prospect who has barely played yet for a manson who is solid, but really nothing special at all, not even a top 30 d in this league, rakell and a tough guy, because the leafs need toughness lol, youre a joke
2 avr à 10 h 47
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Quoting: Trevorchef
I think you are way off here. If that were the essence of it getting done it probably would have already been done. The Ducks are not giving Manson away. Trading him now for an AHL defensman and a 2nd round pick seems out of the question in my eyes.

This has more to do with diversifying the cap dollars to fill team needs over one team fleecing another. (That was the genesis of it from my side of the fence anyways.)

Appreciate the feedback. Thanks for posting.


This feels odd for me to say but I think you're overvaluing Manson, While yes he is still a top 4 Dman, he is not the same player from a couple seaosns ago. I love Manson but he gets a B+ prospect and a second in a world where he goes for his value. I agree with you Bob Murray probably doesn't move him for that but thats a different discussion. I may be overvaluing Liljegren but I see him as a B to a B+ prospect with top 4 potential, which if Manson moves is what needs to come back. I would love if the Ducks get more, and they easily could with 50% retention (Putting Manson at $2,050,000 for 2 seasons)

Now Rakell on the Leafs assuming the lines above I think he puts up 55-70 points with 30ish goals (large range I know) while Marner is at worst a PPG player. even with the contracts I dont make that deal if I'm TOR. I'd go after Dougie Hamilton if the leafs move Marner, not sure of that deal if one is there but that would be a Target for me if I'm Dubas.
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2 avr à 10 h 49
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Quoting: Trevorchef
I think you are way off here. If that were the essence of it getting done it probably would have already been done. The Ducks are not giving Manson away. Trading him now for an AHL defensman and a 2nd round pick seems out of the question in my eyes.

This has more to do with diversifying the cap dollars to fill team needs over one team fleecing another. (That was the genesis of it from my side of the fence anyways.)

Appreciate the feedback. Thanks for posting.


manson was an AHL d until he was 24 years old, and liljegren will be in the NHL at 21, you know nothing, give it up
2 avr à 11 h 26
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cash$$
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Quoting: Salzy
I'll step in here, in essence Ducks deal is in my eyes

Lily for Manson
Imo leafs add a second and its done (if just Lily and manson involved)

Then you have Marner for Rakell + ND
Which is an absolute fleece for the Ducks even with Cap space being considered thye take that and run as far away from Dubas as possible before he can reconsider


IMO Marner + 2nd would for Rackell + Manson + Deslaurier would get it done. IMO Marner has to be value as a top 10 RW in the league that is still only 22 years old. Marner makes the ducks a better team Manson + Rackell makes the Leafs a better team fair trade overall IMO.

Quoting: vr1995
manson was an AHL d until he was 24 years old, and liljegren will be in the NHL at 21, you know nothing, give it up


Liljegren will be 21 in 28 days. Go to bed out of it. The only reason he would be a NHL defenseman is because the Leafs defense is horrible.


Moral of the story, the leafs will need to trade one of the big 3 10M + players they have eventually. With the salary cap in place teams cannot compete with 3 10M+ pieces in their lineup. 30M devoted to 3 players is unreasonable, especially when neither of them is your most important player. Just like the Blackhawks with Buff, Leddy, Ladd, ect. they moved on and replaced with assets and 'Lesser' places to stay deep and competitive through their 3 cups. and notice when they gave Toews and Kane 10.5M they dropped out of contention.
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Quoting: j_cash08
IMO Marner + 2nd would for Rackell + Manson + Deslaurier would get it done. IMO Marner has to be value as a top 10 RW in the league that is still only 22 years old. Marner makes the ducks a better team Manson + Rackell makes the Leafs a better team fair trade overall IMO.



Liljegren will be 21 in 28 days. Go to bed out of it. The only reason he would be a NHL defenseman is because the Leafs defense is horrible.


Moral of the story, the leafs will need to trade one of the big 3 10M + players they have eventually. With the salary cap in place teams cannot compete with 3 10M+ pieces in their lineup. 30M devoted to 3 players is unreasonable, especially when neither of them is your most important player. Just like the Blackhawks with Buff, Leddy, Ladd, ect. they moved on and replaced with assets and 'Lesser' places to stay deep and competitive through their 3 cups. and notice when they gave Toews and Kane 10.5M they dropped out of contention.


I'd rather remove the 2nd and add Liljegren in then balance accordingly for that potential deal, very interesting concept to be sure

Agree with you on Liljegren, not every Dman can be Cale Makar/Quinn Hughes, some take time and are still very solid players. I feel Marner makes the most sense to move of the big contracts, Tavares just got the C and a franchise like TOR doesn't give a guy the C if he isnt in the long term plans, and Matthews is Matthews. In my eyes Nylander is proving to be worth every penny he got if not more (not sure of the sentiment in Leaf Land though)
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2 avr à 11 h 49
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Quoting: vr1995
manson was an AHL d until he was 24 years old, and liljegren will be in the NHL at 21, you know nothing, give it up


LOL.... cry me a river. If I know nothing... you know far less than nothing. Another know-it-all for the ignore list! Thanks for the feedback! Just because people have a difference of opinion and place different value on certain players doesn't mean than they know any less than you wind bag.

It doesn't have to align with your way of thinking to make sense in the big picture. I like to chat about hockey but I don't tolerate one-sided opinionated rubbish from blue-goggled wanna be's with tunnel vision.
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2 avr à 12 h 05
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Quoting: Salzy
I'd rather remove the 2nd and add Liljegren in then balance accordingly for that potential deal, very interesting concept to be sure

Agree with you on Liljegren, not every Dman can be Calar Makar/Quinn Hughes, some take time and are still very solid players. I feel Marner makes the most sense to move of the big contracts, Tavares just got the C and a franchise like TOR doesn't give a guy the C if he isnt in the long term plans, and Matthews is Matthews. In my eyes Nylander is proving to be worth every penny he got if not more (not sure of the sentiment in Leaf Land though)


I agree with you if the Leafs can somehow make the cap work, I would much rather move Liljegren and a 2nd for Manson. Which I also agree is fair. I do agree Liljegren is a good prospect, I just don't like how it was used that he may be in the NHL before Manson to somehow say Manson is less valuable LOL.

But the Leafs have a very interesting cap situation to say the least. You don't Move what could be arguably the best if not one of the best 1-2 punches in the league center wise. Nylanders contract is fair. Marner priced himself out of Toronto IMO. Plus he will give you the biggest return.
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