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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 4 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>But it isn't " a worry". It's 22m to sign other players. It's called unrestricted free agency. Leafs and other teams sign UFAs, and do so without getting anything in return. If Marner wants to leave or the Leafs think he isn't worth to sign.....so be it. But it's sound like such a "homerist" point of view, do expect full value for a upcoming UFA, and then to sign UFAs for free. Now if the Leafs are "sellers" at TDL 2025, yeah I can see Tavares or Marner possibly traded. There cap won't be as onerous to their new teams.

If the Leafs hadn't resigned 11.5m Nylander. The Leafs would have lets say 11.5m and 5m in cap to sign a Dman. 16.5m total
Gee, the Leafs could have have two 5.5m Dmen and had 4.5m to spend on a winger.
It's just a false premise that if a UFA walks, you get nothing for them. It's certainly a lot better to let them walk instead of overpaying them.</div></div>

Looking at 2025 free agents and the list has Draisatl, Rantanen, Tavares, Marner, Crosby, Benn as the main free agents for forwards. Rantanen, Draisatl, Crosby all probably resign. Benn is not the same player he was and would not replace come close to Marner. Then there's Konecny, who probably resigns, Ekblad and Theodore. The salary cap in 2025 is expected to go up to 91 million at this moment in time. Plus if we resign Tavares and were smart we would offer a huge low ball offer saving 5 million or more there. Easy to sign a Ekblad or Theodore if they don't resign.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 4 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>But it isn't " a worry". It's 22m to sign other players. It's called unrestricted free agency. Leafs and other teams sign UFAs, and do so without getting anything in return. If Marner wants to leave or the Leafs think he isn't worth to sign.....so be it. But it's sound like such a "homerist" point of view, do expect full value for a upcoming UFA, and then to sign UFAs for free. Now if the Leafs are "sellers" at TDL 2025, yeah I can see Tavares or Marner possibly traded. There cap won't be as onerous to their new teams.

If the Leafs hadn't resigned 11.5m Nylander. The Leafs would have lets say 11.5m and 5m in cap to sign a Dman. 16.5m total
Gee, the Leafs could have have two 5.5m Dmen and had 4.5m to spend on a winger.
It's just a false premise that if a UFA walks, you get nothing for them. It's certainly a lot better to let them walk instead of overpaying them.</div></div>

I am not arguing whether fans view as overpaid or not. What I am talking about is replacing the players in free agency. If Marner wants to walk and refuses to resign because he wants the same Matthews. Then yes so be it. According to many insiders they expect Marner to sign similar to Nylander which they all say is right on what the price should be. The question comes then from two thoughts. Let him which if we do we need to sign a forward capable and consistently able to produce 60+ points and a top 4 defenseman. Let's look at the Bertuzzi signing compared to that of what Guentzel should sign. 40 points for Bert at 5.5 and Guentzel at 85 points for 9 million approximately. That would show if a forward was available to sign at around a 70 points player, his price tag is probably 7.5 million. That leaves us with 4-5 million for a defenseman. The top defenseman this year are all looking to sign 6.5 to 8 million a season. That is they thought process a good GM must make. He must decide if I let said player walk who can I possibly resign to replace. Treliving tried this in Calgary with ownership a big reason why he had to try and replace. He was smart with the Tkachuk trade. His mistake was listening to the pressure from ownership and fans to instantly sign Huberdeau before seeing how Huberdeau fits.
So if we can't replace then we look to trade, and now comes our perceived value versus the teams perceived value for such a trade to give what is needed.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: Realistic Off Season Adjustments
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Fair on not wanting a 3 goalie system. I don't love it either.

Fair on wanting Bert back. I want him back also.

BUT Bert will cost more than 4.1m (at least I think he will) and our d group looks quite poor without Lily. To get Bert into this, we would need to ship off one or both of Kampf or Jarnkrok.</div></div>

Bert potentially could be had fpr between 4 and 4.5. I will be honest I am not impressed with Bert during the playoffs. He seems obsessed with trying to follow and get underneath Marchands skin. That will never work. It is best for Bert to do what he does best in front of the net. I do still like Bert but am hoping he starts to refocus on his game versus everyone else's. Shipping off one of Kampf or Jarnkrok is not that hard and could be easily replaced with the proper players.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Please I wish fans of all teams would look at their rosters......Take the Leafs.....Currently they Bertuzzi, Domi, Tavares, Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Benoit, all signed as UFAs, which the Leafs acquired for free. So this obsession fans have (especially Leaf fans when talking about Marner) thinking they are going to anything back in a trade for him is ridiculous. No team has the cap, and the Leafs will just keep him for a Cup run. The future without Marner when he goes as a UFA. is the 11m the Leafs will have to spend on other players. To think the Leafs are going to get a haul of futures for Marner and then 11m in cap space.....ridiculous.</div></div>

Also you forget that we will lose a top 3 winger and #2c the same year of UFA look at those ufas and see whom you think we can guaranteed resign to replace. It's not leaf fans it's that you are competing against 31 other teams to sign said player which often means an overpay and thus not saving salary as letting them walk. That is actual worry to just allow salary to leave. In basketball, baseball and football teams often use this approach to only find themselves behind the 8 ball and then not signing said player and now behind the 8 player.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Please I wish fans of all teams would look at their rosters......Take the Leafs.....Currently they Bertuzzi, Domi, Tavares, Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Benoit, all signed as UFAs, which the Leafs acquired for free. So this obsession fans have (especially Leaf fans when talking about Marner) thinking they are going to anything back in a trade for him is ridiculous. No team has the cap, and the Leafs will just keep him for a Cup run. The future without Marner when he goes as a UFA. is the 11m the Leafs will have to spend on other players. To think the Leafs are going to get a haul of futures for Marner and then 11m in cap space.....ridiculous.</div></div>

I never said a haul of futures. Most teams gladly pay for a ppg player capable of 100 points. The problem is Toronto is in win now mode. They do nowt want nor need futures. They need a fairly capable 60-80 point guy to somewhat replace Marner and his offense in the top 6 and a true top 4 D. According to many reports Nylander was only offered futures based on the above comment and no team offered a comparable top 4 type DMan on a comparable contract hence why Nylander was resigned. Better to resign then to let walk and have another team sign said such deal. Because the odds a UFA can come in a replace what was lost from them as UFA is slim. That is my point. Please point out one trade for either Marner or Nylander according to insider reports would honestly improve our team. I am not against trading them as Yes our cap is too proportionate to forwards but also sacrificing offense for just defense never works. We need grinders like Bert, but also puck moving Dmen and great passers like Marner. This is the conundrum. Because if we remove a Marner, we remove a great playmaker and need to find a way to accommodate that. It doesn't need to be another Marner, maybe a Domi type but where do we get that etc... etc... there is a lot to think about.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>OTT aint trading chych in division without a overpay and this aint it, a 3rd pairing guy a F tier prospect and a late first dont get TOR chych</div></div>

I am not arguing the thought there as yes Toronto is a division ri al. What I am saying is Liljegren overall this year has provided good top 4 four for Toronto when healthy. He is still young enough and works for Ottawa to bring right handed. This would work in Ottawa favour because Chychrun is a pending UFA, which does hurt his overall value thus a trade like this may be one of the better ones they can get. Most teams will now want a commitment for guaranteed resign upon trade from Chychrun. TO can leverage this if Chychrun is not sure where he wants to resign as they are still in win now mode.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Sujet: Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>ott declines</div></div>

Maybe but maybe not. Liljegren is a former first round pick capable of good top four minutes that will never cost more than Chychrun. Chychrun is looking to be traded because paying 24+ million for 3 LD is a tough sell for fans. Their need is RHD. This trade also gives Ottawa a first round pick and a good scoring prospect. What did Ottawa give up for 3 years of Chychrun 1 first and 2 seconds. This is essentially two 1sts plus for only what may be 1 year of service unless chychrun resigns.

Look at the overall picture. Most defenseman reache peaks between 25 and 30. At under 3 million for a defenseman that has shown the ability to play great top 4 minutes and would not be relied upon as a top performer because Sanderson, chabot and zub will be considered Mainstays above could work a better balance and depth for their defence which is still currently an Achilles heel despite the amount of growth Sanderson keeps showing.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures
Sujet: bye marner sorry tavares
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ej15DaTMLfan</b></div><div>legit #1 goalie a low risk 1yr deal with someone that can supposedly play with rielly and d grit not an improvement?</div></div>

No way Boston trades Swayman. They are trying and wanting to trade Ullmark and would have if Ullmark didn't waive his no trade.
Dumba is a 3rd pairing who is not very good at moving the puck. Ditto for Lyubushkin and Edmundson. There are very good 3rd pairings but nothing more. Same as Benoit. So you are filling out top four with Reilly, McCabe and 4 3rd pairing defensemen. Reilly is good yes but he is at best top 30 type defenseman. So on many teams he would be a number two. mcCabe has improved greatly this year and I am liking his more and more but he is better as a 3/4 D. We are still missing another true top 3 type defense to properly play with Reilly.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 58
Sujet: Since public enemy number 1 has to be traded now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I think if the Leafs were to move Marner... I think it would be for a top 4 RHD and picks/prospects...</div></div>

I agree and am fine with it. My issue of free agency. We trade prior to July 1st obviously and then we are left with hoping said player signs with us to replace what else got missed with a trade as you presented for top 6 production. It's not i.possible to trade Marner and the value is absolutely there. Its more based on what other teams want to trade that is worth it for TO. Many reports last year stated Toronto was not offered a single top 4 DMan for Nylander and they were willing comparable salary to make it work. Apparently all offers were future based!
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 50
Sujet: Ontario Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>You add Marner to that team they make the playoffs. Imagine him next to Tkachuck and Norris or Pinto.

As if they add him, hire someone like Berube, then go get a goalie and another top 4 Dman they could make noise and finish 3rd to high WC.</div></div>

That is an odd trade between division rivals that could work both sides. Batherson is a less points version of Marner but still very good to help the leafs, chychrun gives that 4 four DMan. Chychrun is also a pending fa which gives extra value for Ottawa as long as an agreement was in place to resign Marner!
So value wise makes sense and depending on Ottawa signing to replace chychrun can make them a playoff team. That being said, it is a fantasy trade as commented. The odds of the two divisional rivals doing this is slim!
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 44