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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 14 h 37
Sujet:
If we were to trade Marner to where
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dh91</b></div><div>You really think NJ would trade Hughes for Marner? And then adding on top of that? :tearsofjoy
All of these trades are so far off his actual value, which is a lot lower than you think</div></div>
Again Marner is a 90 to 100 point player. This year before his injury was tracking to cross 100+ points. That is elite offensive performance plus Marner is fresh off a selke. His value is there. Do I believe such a trade NO! Why because the Leafs would need returns like the above to make it worth trading Marner. They need defense, but trading Marner for defense removes that offense. These are more for what Toronto needs and where Marner may accept a trade too. Will New Jersey make that trade. I honestly really don't think so.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 14 h 25
Sujet:
If we were to trade Marner to where
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Most teams can't afford his contract and aren't paying that much for a rental.
The Sabres aren't trading cozens.
The devils surely aren't going to listen after Hughes is mentioned.</div></div>
Obviously any trade would have a resign guarantee. That being said of course the trades would not happen. I am merely pointing out how trading Marner is not as easy as we think. The Leafs will need to replace Marners production whilst added a true top four defenseman is not an easy task and most teams refuse.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 14 h 22
Sujet:
If we were to trade Marner to where
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruceBanner</b></div><div>Most of these are a joke. The only possible real deal could be Arizona.</div></div>
Exactly the point. Leafs Marner for a defenseman and they lose 80-100 points plus on offense, whom can we then afford on FA to replace about 60-80 in the top six? Trade Marner for another 80-100 point forward, does it really change much. Trade Marner for a 1st, prospect and middling forward, whom to we sign or trade for with the pick add to our defense and replace him.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 14 h 7
Sujet:
Re-Tool not Re-Build
Retool and acquire picks to not spend close to the cap even if it meant signing 3 1 year deals in hopes that this lineup that looks weaker in many areas catches lighting in a bottle. Just does not seem possible and same as Marner. Hoping to help Ovie is not a good enough reason he would want to chase a cup.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 14 h 4
Sujet:
The Inevitable
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hudsonfaschingisdad</b></div><div>Islanders reject</div></div>
Islanders top two players are Barzal and Dobson. Add in Horvat as third. Does the above trade on value start a conversation in one sense yes based on value of players but that is where is end. The Isles are an aging team and when they look to retool the 3 players guaranteed to stay in hopes of a retool instead of a rebuild is Barzal, Dobson and Horvat so while on value I get the trade. Dobson is as close to an untouchable as their is.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 13 h 59
Sujet:
Let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>7x7 for bertuzzi is bonkers, as is anyone giving up that much for marner.</div></div>
Even the trades got to love fantasy GM.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 13 h 58
Sujet:
Revamping the core is not as easy as we think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cs_7</b></div><div>Liljegren probably doesnt even deserve to be qualified let alone a 1 mil raise</div></div>
Liljegren when healthy is a good top four. The problem this year is his injuries and not sure why but it takes him awhile after injuries to get back up too speed. They are many players like him and right now he is struggling after his second injury. He is still young and an RFA. If trading can get an equivalent defender back I am all for it. I don't agree with underselling him when due to his age we can sign him to a 2.5 to 3 million deal and if he falters we can send him down to the AHL.
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Armchair-GM
29 avr. à 13 h 55
Sujet:
Revamping the core is not as easy as we think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>la_scaloneta</b></div><div>Jay Rosehill said he would rather have 12 Ryan Reaves than to have 1 Mitch Marner. Thoughts?</div></div>
Mitch Marner needs to stop being compared to Brad Marchand and Doug Gilmour. They are all different players. We need to focus on reality. He is an elite offensive talent period. My thoughts on Marner are the same as they are on Nylander. Two offensive talents that be be very underrated defensively. Marner is a former selke finalist proving he can provide that 200 foot game. Obviously our core has not done much and as a result I agree to potentially trade them. The problem is we need a value that helps us. If we trade Marner that is around 95 points in a full 82 season. We can't expect Robertson to all of sudden jump to a 70 point guy. Thus we need a top 6 six forward as replacement and the whole point of the trade is to improve the defense which then means a top four defender. Judging by the reports on Nylander was Leafs asked for a top four Blueline for him. All teams wanted to offer was a 1st round pick, a prospect and middle type forward NHLer on a salary to somewhat match.
A truly good team like Vegas, Colorado etc has MacKinnon Rantanen and then players like Duhaime mackdermid, etc... it's a balance and so far the Leafs have failed that balance.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 15 h 13
Sujet:
With an eye for 20252026
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FlameFlameFruit</b></div><div>Too much for Chych</div></div>
I agree that Chychrun should get less, the problem is first a rival tax and second many teams will offer close to a 1st and 2 second even when he is a pending FA. So combining a rival tax, I am fine by trading a 1st, for chychrun that is worth it. Liljegren I hate losing but we get an overall better defender and puck in Chychrun. liljregren better balances Ottawa defence core. The added is more for rival tax to hopefully coax Ottawa to make the trade.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 14 h 36
Sujet:
move on from the core
The hatred Marner gets when out of the past 50 games he has the highest ppg average even over Matthews. The problem with Marner is his size which does hurt a little come playoffs time when pressured.
Fact is we need both playmakers, high end scorers and net front presences to score in both regular season to make the dance then in playoffs. I hope Marner becomes more consistent in the playoffs where he doesn't go pointless in 4/5 games. That is annoying.
But a large reason for the less points is more on coaching. Every year it's the same ol song. Our 22%power play dries up over the last month and goes into the playoffs and we are lucky if it operates at an 8% clip. We have tried many different power play coaches and yet Keefe stays there. With better coaching our power play can probably operate at 15% which would equate an extra goal every 2 games. Over a 7 game series that gives Marner, Matthews and Nylander an extra 3-4 points and now our offense looks better and the players score more.
This past year so far we have Matthews playing the back end with Reilly with the puck coming off Tavares hoping to go to Marner then to Reilly or Matthews. It is very predictable. It is time to change. Throw Marner on the back with Reilly and it changes the passing lanes which can lead to different chances. Keefe refuses to alter all he did was change Jarnkrok for Bert.
Last year in Florida series Nylander was humming and what did Keefe do plant Nylander in pp2 refusing to promote him to pp1. Play your hottest player during the playoffs? Really?
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 9 h 47
Sujet:
If let let Marner and Tavares walk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Why do fans have this silly belief that it's the teams that it's the teams decision to "LET" players walk?</div></div>
I never meant it as like the team let's them walk and that is not even the point. The point of the exercise is who can we sign to replace them and their salaries among the crop of free agents. Whether its the team that wanted to not resign or the player decided to leave or a combination of both does not even matter.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 9 h 45
Sujet:
If let let Marner and Tavares walk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wz92</b></div><div>McCabe for 5.2 is crazy</div></div>
He is a top 4 defender and his currently salary is actually 4 million. Chicago is eating salary. We will probably have to increase his salary to resign for his age etc... 5.2 is only 1.2 million more.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 9 h 29
Sujet:
If we let Melander walk instead of resign
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>And signed another overpaid absurd contract?
You'd probably be in the exact same position lol.</div></div>
Thats the point. If we let Nylander walk and look to sign a comparable player to replace, we still have to overpay said player. Find me a free agent that that produce 65-90 points guaranteed next year that will sign with us for about 5-6 million.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 8 h 54
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>But it isn't " a worry". It's 22m to sign other players. It's called unrestricted free agency. Leafs and other teams sign UFAs, and do so without getting anything in return. If Marner wants to leave or the Leafs think he isn't worth to sign.....so be it. But it's sound like such a "homerist" point of view, do expect full value for a upcoming UFA, and then to sign UFAs for free. Now if the Leafs are "sellers" at TDL 2025, yeah I can see Tavares or Marner possibly traded. There cap won't be as onerous to their new teams.
If the Leafs hadn't resigned 11.5m Nylander. The Leafs would have lets say 11.5m and 5m in cap to sign a Dman. 16.5m total
Gee, the Leafs could have have two 5.5m Dmen and had 4.5m to spend on a winger.
It's just a false premise that if a UFA walks, you get nothing for them. It's certainly a lot better to let them walk instead of overpaying them.</div></div>
Looking at 2025 free agents and the list has Draisatl, Rantanen, Tavares, Marner, Crosby, Benn as the main free agents for forwards. Rantanen, Draisatl, Crosby all probably resign. Benn is not the same player he was and would not replace come close to Marner. Then there's Konecny, who probably resigns, Ekblad and Theodore. The salary cap in 2025 is expected to go up to 91 million at this moment in time. Plus if we resign Tavares and were smart we would offer a huge low ball offer saving 5 million or more there. Easy to sign a Ekblad or Theodore if they don't resign.
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Armchair-GM
26 avr. à 8 h 49
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>But it isn't " a worry". It's 22m to sign other players. It's called unrestricted free agency. Leafs and other teams sign UFAs, and do so without getting anything in return. If Marner wants to leave or the Leafs think he isn't worth to sign.....so be it. But it's sound like such a "homerist" point of view, do expect full value for a upcoming UFA, and then to sign UFAs for free. Now if the Leafs are "sellers" at TDL 2025, yeah I can see Tavares or Marner possibly traded. There cap won't be as onerous to their new teams.
If the Leafs hadn't resigned 11.5m Nylander. The Leafs would have lets say 11.5m and 5m in cap to sign a Dman. 16.5m total
Gee, the Leafs could have have two 5.5m Dmen and had 4.5m to spend on a winger.
It's just a false premise that if a UFA walks, you get nothing for them. It's certainly a lot better to let them walk instead of overpaying them.</div></div>
I am not arguing whether fans view as overpaid or not. What I am talking about is replacing the players in free agency. If Marner wants to walk and refuses to resign because he wants the same Matthews. Then yes so be it. According to many insiders they expect Marner to sign similar to Nylander which they all say is right on what the price should be. The question comes then from two thoughts. Let him which if we do we need to sign a forward capable and consistently able to produce 60+ points and a top 4 defenseman. Let's look at the Bertuzzi signing compared to that of what Guentzel should sign. 40 points for Bert at 5.5 and Guentzel at 85 points for 9 million approximately. That would show if a forward was available to sign at around a 70 points player, his price tag is probably 7.5 million. That leaves us with 4-5 million for a defenseman. The top defenseman this year are all looking to sign 6.5 to 8 million a season. That is they thought process a good GM must make. He must decide if I let said player walk who can I possibly resign to replace. Treliving tried this in Calgary with ownership a big reason why he had to try and replace. He was smart with the Tkachuk trade. His mistake was listening to the pressure from ownership and fans to instantly sign Huberdeau before seeing how Huberdeau fits.
So if we can't replace then we look to trade, and now comes our perceived value versus the teams perceived value for such a trade to give what is needed.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 16 h 9
Sujet:
Realistic Off Season Adjustments
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Fair on not wanting a 3 goalie system. I don't love it either.
Fair on wanting Bert back. I want him back also.
BUT Bert will cost more than 4.1m (at least I think he will) and our d group looks quite poor without Lily. To get Bert into this, we would need to ship off one or both of Kampf or Jarnkrok.</div></div>
Bert potentially could be had fpr between 4 and 4.5. I will be honest I am not impressed with Bert during the playoffs. He seems obsessed with trying to follow and get underneath Marchands skin. That will never work. It is best for Bert to do what he does best in front of the net. I do still like Bert but am hoping he starts to refocus on his game versus everyone else's. Shipping off one of Kampf or Jarnkrok is not that hard and could be easily replaced with the proper players.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 52
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Please I wish fans of all teams would look at their rosters......Take the Leafs.....Currently they Bertuzzi, Domi, Tavares, Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Benoit, all signed as UFAs, which the Leafs acquired for free. So this obsession fans have (especially Leaf fans when talking about Marner) thinking they are going to anything back in a trade for him is ridiculous. No team has the cap, and the Leafs will just keep him for a Cup run. The future without Marner when he goes as a UFA. is the 11m the Leafs will have to spend on other players. To think the Leafs are going to get a haul of futures for Marner and then 11m in cap space.....ridiculous.</div></div>
Also you forget that we will lose a top 3 winger and #2c the same year of UFA look at those ufas and see whom you think we can guaranteed resign to replace. It's not leaf fans it's that you are competing against 31 other teams to sign said player which often means an overpay and thus not saving salary as letting them walk. That is actual worry to just allow salary to leave. In basketball, baseball and football teams often use this approach to only find themselves behind the 8 ball and then not signing said player and now behind the 8 player.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 48
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Please I wish fans of all teams would look at their rosters......Take the Leafs.....Currently they Bertuzzi, Domi, Tavares, Kampf, Reaves, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Benoit, all signed as UFAs, which the Leafs acquired for free. So this obsession fans have (especially Leaf fans when talking about Marner) thinking they are going to anything back in a trade for him is ridiculous. No team has the cap, and the Leafs will just keep him for a Cup run. The future without Marner when he goes as a UFA. is the 11m the Leafs will have to spend on other players. To think the Leafs are going to get a haul of futures for Marner and then 11m in cap space.....ridiculous.</div></div>
I never said a haul of futures. Most teams gladly pay for a ppg player capable of 100 points. The problem is Toronto is in win now mode. They do nowt want nor need futures. They need a fairly capable 60-80 point guy to somewhat replace Marner and his offense in the top 6 and a true top 4 D. According to many reports Nylander was only offered futures based on the above comment and no team offered a comparable top 4 type DMan on a comparable contract hence why Nylander was resigned. Better to resign then to let walk and have another team sign said such deal. Because the odds a UFA can come in a replace what was lost from them as UFA is slim. That is my point. Please point out one trade for either Marner or Nylander according to insider reports would honestly improve our team. I am not against trading them as Yes our cap is too proportionate to forwards but also sacrificing offense for just defense never works. We need grinders like Bert, but also puck moving Dmen and great passers like Marner. This is the conundrum. Because if we remove a Marner, we remove a great playmaker and need to find a way to accommodate that. It doesn't need to be another Marner, maybe a Domi type but where do we get that etc... etc... there is a lot to think about.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 30
Sujet:
Updated Summer
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>I’m high on stolarz, but I know he will have a lot of interest in the upcoming offseason and I’m afraid teams will pay a premium for him.
Thanks for the kind words & feedback!</div></div>
I agree both fronts, as mentioned with my comments I can see a trade to clear Jarnkrok or Kampf or just a simply clearing 1.1 million from Reaves to sign a huge like Stolarz or Ned etc... I can see one of them not getting their deal and going with TO.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 27
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>No, the trades don't make sense......not at all.
Marner resigned? I'm guessing less than 50%. Gotta think the Leafs will find better ways (in their mind) to spend 11 or 12m.
I didn't understand the resigning of Nylander. 11.5m X 8. Could that have been spent better? The question will be answered objectively in the spring of 2032.</div></div>
Marner can easily resign at around 12 million and overall his play is worth that much to most teams. I agree a trade could be better and not against it I just don't see a team willing to offer what we need and wanting to go a future route of a 1st, mid prospect, and a mid tier forward/defenceman.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 26
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JZ_DAL</b></div><div>OTT only does it if it includes Knies which I know TOR won’t do, I wouldn’t if I was them either, Knies is like Greig for them & he’s untouchable</div></div>
Agree and disagree because Ottawa could be at risk to get less for Chychrun due to the fact that he is now a pending UFA. This could easily affect the trades and the value as shown in the past. I agree that normally Ottawa would want more and yes because of what they call divisional rival tax but if the UFA status diverts teams off which is also entirely possible a trade like this is also a win for a Ottawa when they still a good top four potential DMan.that is right handed.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 3
Sujet:
Pagnotta report
Considering many reports showing Tanev to sign a 3 to 4.5 million contract due to his age. For 6 million Tanev says a definite yes! And lookie what I got to every other defenseman to say wow Hanifin you already resigned well thanks to Tanev we can now sign for 9 million instead of 7 to 7.5 million.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 15 h 0
Sujet:
Updated Summer
Would not go as far as upgraded summer, but could be a potentially good roster. I actually like the amadio contract. Goaltending could be a better to improve as we can look to trade Kampf, Jarnkrok or demote Reaves to clear 1.1 million. This could allow us to sign a better goaltender to be backup with us and with better potential is Woll fails.
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Armchair-GM
25 avr. à 14 h 57
Sujet:
Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>OTT aint trading chych in division without a overpay and this aint it, a 3rd pairing guy a F tier prospect and a late first dont get TOR chych</div></div>
I am not arguing the thought there as yes Toronto is a division ri al. What I am saying is Liljegren overall this year has provided good top 4 four for Toronto when healthy. He is still young enough and works for Ottawa to bring right handed. This would work in Ottawa favour because Chychrun is a pending UFA, which does hurt his overall value thus a trade like this may be one of the better ones they can get. Most teams will now want a commitment for guaranteed resign upon trade from Chychrun. TO can leverage this if Chychrun is not sure where he wants to resign as they are still in win now mode.
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Just a twiddling thought as odds are Marner is resigned
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>ott declines</div></div>
Maybe but maybe not. Liljegren is a former first round pick capable of good top four minutes that will never cost more than Chychrun. Chychrun is looking to be traded because paying 24+ million for 3 LD is a tough sell for fans. Their need is RHD. This trade also gives Ottawa a first round pick and a good scoring prospect. What did Ottawa give up for 3 years of Chychrun 1 first and 2 seconds. This is essentially two 1sts plus for only what may be 1 year of service unless chychrun resigns.
Look at the overall picture. Most defenseman reache peaks between 25 and 30. At under 3 million for a defenseman that has shown the ability to play great top 4 minutes and would not be relied upon as a top performer because Sanderson, chabot and zub will be considered Mainstays above could work a better balance and depth for their defence which is still currently an Achilles heel despite the amount of growth Sanderson keeps showing.
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