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Forum: Armchair-GM12 sept. 2020 à 7 h 51
Sujet: Penguins Now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jasondomitrovic</b></div><div>I took out the Madison Bowney RFA and left the rest. Detroit has ALL the cap space in the world and they get a veteran D guy to help with their young defensemen as they develop so JJ's cap is not that big of an issue for the next three years as they will still suck. As for Detroit they get their #1 goalie under contract for multiple years plus they get TWO proven super solid forwards who play that 200 foot game in ZAR and Simon and they don't have too pay much for them. It gives them the defensive side of the puck help they need and it's young in age. That is my thought process.</div></div>

Wings will be bad so that pick will probably be in the top 4, even if 2021 draft is light, that puck will a very good cost controlled player for years. Also Wings may have cap space but why would they take on a dump, JJ, a goalie who has not played well behind a better team and 2 forwards who who may be good 200 foot hockey players, but are not top 6 forwards?

You essentially dumped your bad defenseman, your goalie problem and 2 bottom 6 forwards on us for a chance to draft 1st overall.

JJ, has zero chance of being a leader as he is not the top 3 d man on the team. Wings would rather use cap space to take on bad contracts and Recieve not trade away draft picks.

I know you will say Murray is Stanley cup goalie, but he has not looked like that the past two years. Also he is a RFA with arbitration rights, and get a 1 year dela and walk next year. Not a good trade for. Rebuilding team
Forum: Armchair-GM3 sept. 2020 à 20 h 18
Forum: NHL Trades30 août 2020 à 12 h 59
Sujet: (TOR/PIT) - Kapanen, Åberg, Lindgren for 2020 1st, Rodrigues, Hållander, Warsofsky
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>doublem24</b></div><div>The more I think about this trade the more it stands out as a clear Toronto win, but if I look it as a two year plan for Pittsburgh, I can see how JR rationalized it.

To be clear, this is essentially like polishing a turd, but if you look at Pittsburgh's contracts, they have a strong group put together for at least 2 more years. It's not necessarily the best way to build a championship team with a 10 year window, but it feels like ownership is seeing it through with JR. As a Pens fan I hope it works, because if they don't get a deep run out of the next two years they've given up WAY too much. Their revenue will drop and they won't spend to the cap.

If the next two years go sideways I don't expect Malkin to be incentivized to resign and to me, that's the first concrete mark of the end of the era. What's happening now is just the beginning.</div></div>

in a vacuum, I get Pittsburgh's thinking about this trade... but I don't get that they chose Kapanen as the target. If they went after a rock solid top 6 winger instead of a potential top 6 winger, it would make sense.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 août 2020 à 17 h 4
Sujet: Throwing stuff at the wall see what sticks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Fleury is a backup now. He was already slipping and is going to be 36 next year. The Pens are not a stronger team after your trades.

A team that is in need of leadership would take Hornqvist. Both Detroit and Ottawa would instantly make him captain. No need to retain or "pay" to move him. He should net a 3rd.
Bjugstad is a good player if healthy. If he is healed up he should also get a 3rd, no retention. If not healed then he is LTIR and not relevant. There have also been a lot of Bjugstad for Russell Edm AGMs. (same cap but $3M salary savings)
Murray should be able to net Bennett, 3rd easily, probably even a 2nd.
No need for the second going from the Pens to Calgary.
McCann could pull a 2nd.

The Penguins do not want/need Rittich nor Fleury. They can go with Jarry and DeSmith next season, and if that doesn't work, get a goalie at that time. Maybe UFA the following season. Getting Rittich or Fleury would also mean that DeSmith would need to be waived again, and he probably gets picked up this time. So your deals also cost the Pens DeSmith.

So your deals are:
Bennett, Fleury ($2M ret) for Murray, McCann, Hörnqvist ($2M ret), Bjugstad ($1M ret), 2nd, DeSmith

Legitimate deals would be:
Bennett, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd for Murray, McCann, Hörnqvist, Bjugstad (plus no $7M retention, no -2nd to Calgary)</div></div>

Did you forget the fact that Horny has a NTC, I would say that Detroit and Ottawa are definitely out of the question. Plus even if Ottawa wasn't on his 8 team no trade list, Melnyk would not want to be paying that much for a player that isn't going to make a huge difference to the team.

Murray is going to get a 2nd or a player (Puljujarvi) tops. He is not going to be enough for Calgary to move there most effective playoff forward and a pick included. Just try offering that on HFboards and you'll get skewered for it. Trust me on this as Bennett for Murray has been suggested and Flames fans hate even that.

The only way DeSmith gets picked up is if for some reason a team didn't sign one of the numerous UFA goalies that will be on the market. Teams don't make a habit of claiming a back up goalie unless they have no other option. There are many other, better options that will be on the market for goalies.

Anyways, its fine, you don't like what I offered, however you are way over ranking Bjugstad and Murray and way under rating what Bennett will cost. You are also way undervaluing Fleury, but that has been his MO his entire career.

Again this was throwing stuff out there, to see what the potential is. Can't wait to see what you throw against the wall...
Forum: Armchair-GM27 août 2020 à 17 h 39
Forum: Armchair-GM27 août 2020 à 16 h 1
Sujet: Pens 20-21
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>doublem24</b></div><div>I agree that the Detroit trade isn't fair value for Hronek which makes me wonder, what is Filip Hronek actually worth?

I see Murray's value like this:

Max value - First Round Pick
Good value - 2 - Second Round Picks
Fair Value - Second Round + Third Round pick

I think the fact that he's an RFA push his value up a bit, but the fact that he is unsigned and wants a raise drives his value down. Add in that there are going to be a lot of goalies available in the next few weeks and I think the Pitt will get "Fair Value" at best. Timing is important, because as soon as other options enter the room Murray's value will decrease.

ALL THIS TO SAY - if that's Murray's value, what is Hronek's? I'm interested to know how far off the value is.</div></div>

I think it is a good assessment on Murray's Value, the goalie market this summer is extensive and likely affordable, so I fear you're right that the 'fair value' is most likely, a lot would depend on how much value is placed on his playoff and cup experience. I personally am not as against Murray to Detroit as many.

Hronek is challenging to value, his offensive numbers are great, and he plays with an edge, dude is a real competitor. I think he is best as a 2nd pairing D who runs a PP and puts up maybe 40 points. His defensive game is hard to evaluate because his partners are, to be diplomatic, not ideal. I'd say at the worst he's the next Jake Gardiner.
Valuation is difficult because, a guy who is 22, is therefore cost controlled and seems to have a floor of Jake Gardiner is a great asset, and an overpayment would be necessary.
Fair value, similar age top 6 forward with a floor of someone who floats between the 2nd and 3rd line and tops out on the top line, or a top 15 1st.
Realistically, established player with higher ceiling or package including one of the mentioned assets.