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chrisik33

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Forum: Trade Machine Proposals24 févr. 2023 à 19 h 24
Sujet: Leafs add Bruiser for playoffs Wings get young talent
The funny thing is...

I'm a Red Wings fan.

Here's my convoluted reasoning:

(1) I think Edvinsson is ready to break into the NHL. and (2) Chiarot is blocking him.

That's just the start. I have several more reasons and they all revolve around (3) I don't like Chiarot.

He lays out some big hits. Awesome. But on every pairing, he drags down: Seider. And now Hronek. He's 31 and slowing down. The big hits and toughness are fine... the constant misplays/ giveaways/ misses are not. 32 in May? And signed for 3 more years? IMO, he's an albatross. I think trading him is addition by subtraction. He is NOT a top pairing D'man. Not anymore. He should be 3rd pairing on the left side. But a playoff team would want him just for the toughness element required there. But... Detroit is still team-building and as far as I'm concerned, Chiarot is blocking this team's growth. Yzerman can find playoff toughness elsewhere.

I want to:
1) Clear his future salary off the books.
2) Extend Walman because he's been a great pairing with Seider.
3) Eliminate an overall negative defenseman by trading Chiarot.
4) Open up a spot for Edvinsson
5) You're not going to get a tremendous return for Chiarot: not with 3 years after this one, 32 starting next year and showing his age, net negative on the ice and that was with SEIDER!
6) I am perfectly fine with RHD Timmins. Selected 32nd overall in 2017... he's been a puck-mover his entire career. In the minors. Like Walman, he needs ice time/ opportunity in the NHL. Like Walman, I think he surprises on the upside. And if he ends up 3rd pairing only on the right side... I'm good with that.
7) Woll has been getting better the last few years in the minors, going from college .918 save %, to 2020 AHL .890 save %, to 2021 AHL/ NHL .910 save %, to 2022 AHL/ NHL .930 save %.24 y.o. 6' 3" goalie drafted by the Leafs in thge 3rd round 2016... I think he deserves the chance to see if he can back up Husso.

I am perfectly fine with getting these two guys for albatross Chiarot.

In fact, it's Leafs that probably say no... unless they are enamored with Chiarot's toughness/ hits and are willing to take on 3 more years of him after this year at $4.75 mill AAV.

But I doubt it. This is a wish-trade... I wish Yzerman could get rid of Chiarot for exactly a package liker this...
Forum: Trade Machine Proposals28 janv. 2023 à 6 h 48
Sujet: Monster Trade - Poopoo for St Louis Or enough Lotto tickets to say yes
Oh no...

I'm taking all of this as "in good fun".

I've seen nothing posted (yet!!!) that I would take offense to...

Two things:

Red Wings: Vejmelka is better than Hellberg, it's an easy call. Waive Hellberg or trade him for whatever if that's possible... And key point: If the Red Wings are REALLY going to make a push for the playoffs, starting next year if not this year, they need to improve at all 3 levels. Interesting list of LHD's there... but... Chiarot looks pretty much done. Hagg is terrible and Oesterle is a 4th pairing guy. McIsaac and Sebrango are not much/ or not enough. Edvinsson &amp; Wallinder I have HUGE hopes for, Johansson and Viro less so. Buium I like but am uncertain as to how much he develops;<strong> a lot</strong> in 2021 but <strong>not enough</strong> this year. But... Chychrun immediately becomes top pairing with Seider. Maatta &amp; Walman can vie for pairing with Hronek. And when Edvinsson comes up he can match with Hronek and Maatta &amp; Walman become a very good 3rd pairing. I see only upside here. And Schmaltz is the 2nd line Center, and the RH'ed center, that Detroit needs.

Coyotes: There's a whole lot more there than you think. All of the guys traded from the Red Wings (aside from the salary filler guys Chiarot &amp; Suter) have at least soem kind of potential and are either in the NHL, just were in the NHL (and now on IR or rehabbing in AHL Grand Rapids), or in the AHL already (GR). Zadina is a #8 pick that hasn't met expectations. Coyotes try to unlock his scoring potential. Johansson is our #3 prospect on some lists, Sebrango is highly thought of (I believe that is still correct) in Detroit as a defensive defenseman, Nedeljkovic had a .932 save % in 2021 and a .901% in 2022, is 27, but is struggling this year... There are pieces to fix, to take a chance on, nice prospects at a higher level (but not yet NHL) and yes, futures in the draft picks that might be 5-ish + years down the road. The question is: is it getting too much, or too little from the Red Wings? Because... The 'Yotes are definitely going to be rebuilding at least for a year or two... And I see a lot of potential "next competitive team" players already on the Yotes roster ages 19-24. A lot of Red Wings guys in the same age bracket would be coming your way. Make of that what you will.

Final point: What is interesting to me is that: This trade is not accepted because (a) The Red Wings give up too much but get 3 really useful pieces back... (b) The Red Wings don't get back anything that they want, or need (except "maybe" Schmaltz)... and (c) Because the Coyotes don't get enough back in return...

That tells me it was a good trade because EVERYONE is annoyed with it!!!

Final final point: sorry for being a bit long-winded here...