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Forum: Armchair-GM1 août 2017 à 21 h 51
Sujet: Leafs 17-18
I am sorry but I think all the trades weakened the roster and the chances of making playoffs
1. you trade 4 players for a third pair defenseman
2. you trade our best FO player Bozak just had 55pts last season for depth D and picks, and break third line Kadri/Komarov/Brown that was the best efficient line last year, playing against oposition top lines and scoring a bunch of goals on their own.
3. Then trade away another 2 players and a pick for a guy who can't score on an empty net

What is it, you are not comfortable with 50 contracts on the roster?, why does so many people trade away just to reduce nbr contracts?, Leafs got into this position on purpose otherwise wouldn't sign Loverde or Mueller etc..they want depth and depth for the depth players in case injuries decimate roster and veteran guys to provide leadership on the Marlies roster as well.
Leafs already have 9 picks this year, so there is no need for those either.
Kapanen if is not playing better play with Marlies a prominent role 5-5 and PP, PK getting more confidence and experience than sitting on press box watching NHL games...he doesn't need to clear waivers so can be called up when required.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 10 h 16
Sujet: Matthews and Marner payday
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Leafs better when the Cup in 2020, cause there is absolutely no money left to resign I believe 12 new contracts the following. Your really think cheaping out and having Rychel, Leivo. Rosen on the team is good for team success.?</div></div>

palhal I really think you don't read explanations above the rosters.....I did this 3 year rosters with a clear purpose; IF there is flat cap and all of Mathews/Nylander/Marner require high range contracts what would the situation be. If you see I didn't even bother to think trades, just use actual depth from within and signed everybody 700K cause there is no money to fill a roster otherwise, so my conclusion was that this was the case we are f**** in 2019-20 unless Marleau and Martin contracts are dealt, but even so and if cap rises more and the 3 don;t take as much money will still be hard to keep Gardiner, Carrick i think will be gone also....so I don't see how Leafs can sign Tavares, JVR and Doughty like so many posts I see without giving away the core group (Kadri/Reilly/the big 3 and Andersen which are the spine of team) and you have to add Hyman and Brown as it seems they are looked as part of long term.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 10 h 4
Sujet: Matthews and Marner payday
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Doug7004</b></div><div>Allen: You have done some great work with the 3 year analysis, and your analysis given teams status quo is sound! Of course, it will never be left as is, and all of the above contract numbers are open to interpretation and debate! I do think that the team must have some sort of agreement with Marleau in the final year of his contract even if not in writing thus helping the cap! I know you have applied what you believe to be the "new standard" to our core players coming out of ELC, and you refer to the old standard of 6 x $6M? While I agree that this was the norrm since Edmonton rolled it out. . . . look at what this management team was able to do originally on the Gardiner contract and then just last year in resigning Kadri, and Morgan Reilly!</div></div>

thank you Doug, and also Zaitsevs contract, there is always a risk on long term contracts but all those could end up to be steals....at first bridge deals looked as the way to go but now with players maturing so early, it might be better to lock them up on the first contract. Nylander still has another season, could happen the sophomore bug etc, but with the coach and management putting so much attention to detail with this guys, just the rookie season we had was out of ordinary even them were surprised. I don't see it happen, look at Nylander and Marner at the worlds....
If they are all 3 signed bridge deals won't be able to afford them all 3 next contract, so 8 year seems better on the long run at least for 2 of the players. Look Chicago, Toews and Kane after bridge deal now sign forever and entering their 30's, the good thing they already won the cups, but now each year the price to keep them will be higher and harder to swallow, and Seabrook and Keith....
Signing Matthews/Nylander/Marner 8yr ensure to keep them all for their prime and UFA before they are 30, if TOR has a cup by year 6 of these guys can even explore to trade one of them for high return in prospects/picks to keep developing from within.
Anyway this is all blabla, I can't wait for the season to start and see how things unfold.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 9 h 44
Sujet: Nylander payday
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>We saw Joe's decline last year. Do you really think he might be a good second line centre in 2018? I would hate the Leafs start trying to the San Jose Sharks, a team with only season playoff success. Let's just forget about Thornton and build the team and spend money properly.</div></div>

hI palhal, i think you didnt read explanation above, signed Thorton as an example for a 1yr veteran guy to help for a playoff run, forward or defense like Doughty if stars align properly....the idea is just to see that next year still have $ to spend in 1yr signing if makes sense. Personally I would prefer a JVR 1 yr or Bozak as we are thin at LW and even thinner at C and guys could still be useful next season, but that is very unlikely to happen.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 2 h 15
Sujet: Nylander payday
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div>Realality Nylander probably signs for 6.5Million for 6years</div></div>

Yes I think that was the case until this year, now we just saw NSH give Johanssen 24yr old an 8yr 8M contract.
The problem with the bridge deals like Kane and Toews took is that next contract is huge and players will enter their decline, in the Leafs case, if all 3 Nylander/Marner and Matthews sign a 6yr contract, then for sure next one won't be able to keep them all, and they would be FA with possibility to lose them all if they chose to.
If you sign them 8yr you ensure their prime years at high but more manageable cap (if cap rises even better), then Nylander and Marner would be 29yrs old last year of their deal, Matthews 28yrs old. If in those 8 years Leafs don't have a cup maybe is time to get rid of some or them all if you get a nice return to start another rebuild.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 0 h 17
Sujet: Matthews and Marner payday
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronLeafs</b></div><div>Marner and Nylander are far from proven as 8mil players. If they have similar seasons, the standard for a potential elite player leaving their entry level contract is 6 years with 6 mil. They wouldn't get 2 million over that unless they outperform Tarasenko and Backstrom, or put up numbers similar to Crosby who is sitting at 8.7million. Realistically they can look at comparables like Gaudreau and Skinner who get paid in the 5.6-7m range and that is exactly what they deserve on a bridge deal. nothing more, nothing less.

Matthews does not deserve and will not get 12m unless he puts up 100 Points and challenges McDavid for the scoring title.

Remember, when leaving an ELC the team holds the power, not the player.</div></div>

But you have to think these Generational players for the leafs don't come often, if they sign 6yrs then will be UFA and could walk away, if you sign them 8year you lock them up for their prime which seems to be the trend now on NHL. I also think and hope they will take less money and/or cap rises more, I did this analysis with hard cap and high asking $ to see what the situation would be.
When I say generational players I dont mean Nylander/Marner/Matthews are same or better then other players, I mean we have them all 3 on the same team and without even one of them Leafs roster wouldn't be as good, and Leafs have to take advantage of actual skill pool available compare to what we had last decade.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 juill. 2017 à 0 h 6
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2017 à 22 h 52
Sujet: What to do?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>clark</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wulfgar85</b></div><div>That JVR trade is terrible. It would be better to keep him then trade him for some D prospect that may never see the nhl.</div></div>

Why there are so many posts that the Leafs trading for prospects with some of their top prospects seems counterproductive. Aren't the Leafs in position to try to make a deep playoff run?
Even the Marchenko trade. The Leafs might need him this seasons. Leafs have cap room. Why give him away?</div></div>

Totally agree with you, IMO Leafs will keep them all of pending UFA JVR/Bozak/Komarov unless someone comes with an offer you can't turn down, and JVR/Bozak have NTC that makes trades more difficult. Unless at deadline there is no chance to get to playoffs (hopefully is not the case) should keep them all and let them walk away thank you for your services in the summer. There are prospects to replace and in case of need look for short term veteran help.
JVR spot I think Leivo will be given chance to fill in, other options are A.Johnsson/Kapanen
Komarov can be replaced by Hyman on third line, giving space for Shoshnikov for example on 4th line
Bozak is the most difficult to replace as we are thin at C, maybe Nylander is moved to C or a veteran (Thorton if still can skate for 1yr to play with pal Marleau?) short term until Brooks can come up
4th line C if Moore does walk away can be replaced by Gauthier if he recovers well or maybe Aaltonen...there would be options in FA if needed for short term

Regarding Marchenko if he doesn't have good camp I think Leafs will try to trade him to bring back Polak for 1yr depth
Forum: Armchair-GM25 juill. 2017 à 22 h 37
Forum: Armchair-GM25 juill. 2017 à 0 h 25
Sujet: Leafs Fans?
IMO the roster will be like this until camp, Leafs will check Dermott, Rosen, Borgman, Nielsen what can they do vs Marincin and Marchenko, if they feel any of them are better then will try to dump Marincin/Marchenko to team needed of depth at D.
The forward group of this team is probably the most dynamic and potent Leafs have had in more than a decade, I would keep all JVR/Bozak etc and only trade at deadline if season was a bust, otherwise make a run and next summer see what it brings...if all walk away then let it be, we have replacements in Kapanen, Hyman is younger version of Komarov, Centre is weakest position internally to replace Bozak, eventually move Nylander to C or maybe you get 1yr from Thorton to play with his pal Marleau, or some other vet for short term and 2 years down the road have Brooks up, Gauthier...right now that is all there is as prospects ...
Forum: Armchair-GM24 juill. 2017 à 23 h 27
Sujet: D situation fixed in the 6
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AIRWICK</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Bieska has a NMC, I doubt if leaves his Califoirnia home. Vatanen is on LTIR till maybe January, so I really don't know how this improves the Leafs defence. Really weakened the Leafs offence by traded JVR and playing Marleau at centre, a position he hasn't played often. Even trading Fehr, the Leafs have no other NHL ready centres.</div></div>

You must be stupid and blind , never once did I see fehr contribute to this team yet alone be that nhe ready centre ,get lost loser</div></div>

Well this Fehr was good enough to play for PIT 52 games last season, took 150 face offs and won 50% of them, maybe he even gets his name in the stanley cup? ..previous year played 55 games plus all 23 playoffs games and that one for sure has his name on the cup...maybe he is NHL ready, a depth piece, but still NHL player, plays RW and can be slotted as 4th line C so can be a useful asset in case of injuries. Next year UFA and byebye
Forum: Armchair-GM24 juill. 2017 à 9 h 36
Sujet: Leafs Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xanderK</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barathrum_Obama</b></div><div>Gardiner is good. this trade seriously lacks value, even if you take on Lupuls contract</div></div>

Eh, it's not actually that bad for the Leafs. Getting a 2nd and Speers is really good (Speers looks to be an NHLer as soon as this year). Kujawinski might end up being a bottom six guy with more seasoning. You clear Lupul's deal and with Gardiner out, you get down below the cap again. Honestly think it's pretty fair.</div></div>

And why do you think Leafs have Lupul and Horton contracts?, exactly to do what they are doing now, we are over the cap on base of IR, during season on base LTIR can be over 10M cap relief....there is no cap problem in TOR why people don't understand. Keep your spare parts, Gardiner is part of team core and is not going anywhere for now.
Forum: Armchair-GM24 juill. 2017 à 4 h 14
Sujet: Helping Toronto Get Below the Cap Ceiling
The weakest position of the Leafs, looking at it as club depth, it is the Center. Bozak has played 1rst line C many years because there was no other option...even Moore played 1rst line when he was in TOR previously....
Putting aside if the trade value is fair or not, IMO leafs will not trade a C, look that we are keeping Fehr in case someone gets hurt...signed B.Smith and Mueller as somewhat of an 'insurance'. Even from the 3 prime coming UFAs JVR/Komarov/Bozak I still think Bozak is the most likely to be resigned due to our weak C depth. There is only Brooks as a C prospect and will play first season in the Marlies (the other one is Gauthier which is IR until next year, so who knows if will become an asset and that would be for 4th line C)....Nylander eventually could transition to C, but how long will it take him to have FOW% 56.7 like Bozak just had?.
Mat "daddy" Martin has his role on the team and won't be let go...even though personally I think his contract becomes really expensive on its last year, when Matthews and Marner are due extension
Forum: Armchair-GM22 juill. 2017 à 23 h 36
Sujet: Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>antonc</b></div><div>Couldn't Brown be a good bargaining chip for a trade? We have Kapanen who is ready to play, Bracco who can probably replace an injury, and Hyman can play on the right wing as well.</div></div>

If you trade Brown now you will regret that in little time....the guy was always told you are too small you can't blablabla and he has outperform expectations at every level, just scored 20 goals as a rookie, 17 of those at even strength, playing mostly on a third line...why everybody talks of Kapanen like he is future McDavid?, he has potential but he himself said it doesn't see himself on top six on this team yet.
Brown is a two way forward can play PP,PK, 3rd line and move up lineup if needed and is 23 yrs old and praised by his work ethic , what else do you want?. If Komarov goes you want Brown and Hyman on your roster.
5yr at 3.7M is my guess, and if he keeps improving the contract could end up being a steal, if cap rises even more.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2017 à 22 h 49
Sujet: TML This Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>orignalsix</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wotisthebest</b></div><div>Your kidding yourself if you think Hyman is going to be the 13th forward. .</div></div>

Maybe so, but with Marleau, and Kapanen expected to get prime ice team, I wonder where Hyman does play. Certainly Smith is in the AHL. Is Fehr? Doesn't waiver eligible Leivo get packaged in a trade?</div></div>

Kapanen is 20yrs old with 17 NHL games experience (1G) and 6 playoff games (2G), I am sorry but have to disagree that the kid is set to get prime ice time on NHL. Has potential?, no doubt, but another season with Marlies won't hurt, get another season point per game and gain confidence, besides, is waiver exempt to can be call up in case of injuries to wingers.
Leivo was 0.77PPG playing once every million games, that's not easy to stay focus, get in lineup and produce right away. If this summer improves his skating will be a nice headache for Babs how to get him in the lineup, maybe even push JVR trade.
Smith should be sent down with an 'A' or 'C' in the Marlies
Hyman will play, don't know where as Babs can surprise and keep him with Matthews...would make sense to have him 4th line or swap with Komarov 3rd-4th line, but these two will play as they were better PK forwards last year, and Moore to the mix this season (Boyle actually IMO did not do a great job on PK the time he was with us)
Fehr I think will be 14th forward for C depth, guy was good enough to play 52Games with PIT and was traded for cap space...can also help on PK. The only but is this would force 7D roster when Babs last season kept 8D. But I think makes sense to keep him up, unless Aaltonen show in camp could be called up (waiver exempt) as 4th C in case of need making Fehr expendable (Smith and Mueller other options but need clear waivers).

Regarding above roster...Marner will not play 3rd line IMO, swap Marner-Brown positions
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2017 à 21 h 15
Sujet: Changes
Bozak is not going anywhere this year, if any of JVR/Komarov/Bozak is traded he will be the last one to go as C is the hardest to replace....not long ago Bozak was our 1rst line C cause there were no other options, people forget so quick.
Why the need to make trades just for the sake of making trades...forward group as it is gives many options and potent group. The prospect pool of D is actually better than ever, need a season or two to come up, or maybe not and this year someone comes up mid season already (Rosen/Borgan).
Leafs could keep all JVR/Bozak/Komarov for a nice playoff run and lose them all next summer; JVR will be replaced by Leivo/Johnson/Kapanen/Rychel, Komarov can be replaced by Hyman, the hardest to replace is Bozak...maybe Nylander C next year with Marleau to help on faceoffs.
Only one of the three will probably be resigned, JVR most likely gone due to cap, all depends on asking price from Bozak/Komarov to determine who stays IMO

BTW I would place Brown on the 2nd line of your roster, Hyman on 3rd line and Kapanen on 4th line to start...Brown already shown can score, you put Kapanen there and the preasure to perform is so high, not every rookie is like Mathews/Marner/Nylander, let the kid get confidence and go step by step.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 juill. 2017 à 5 h 35
Sujet: Opening night roster for now. Description included.
If you look at the moves made this summer is all about depth, because last year Leafs were very fortunate with very few injuries and for very short time.
Looking at your roster, what happen if a center gets injured (and pray is not Matthews)? then you have to call up Fehr and send down Kapanen who is waiver exempt....better just leave Kapanen with Marlies to play regularly instead than sratched most of the time. Call him up if there are wingers injured.

I could think Leivo will be given the chance to replace JVR, Hyman will be a younger version of Komarov, and the hardest to replace will be Bozak next year, at least internally. Either bring him back if his asking price is not too high with 2-3 year contract, or bring someone like Thorton for 1 yr. The 4th line center could be Aaltonen/Gauthier depending how this season goes or bring back Moore 1yr.

The D this year worries me the third pairing; Lou said Hainsey will play top 4 as you indicated on your roster, that leaves Carrick as 3rd pair RD who still does not have tons of experience, who do you pair him with?, if Marincin doesn't have great camp someone like Dermott, Rosen could be up, but a rookie is better suited with a experienced D on the other side...with Carrick though I think would be a weak 3rd pair.