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Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 15 h 44
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq17</b></div><div>15 games isnt a short slump. And i know colorado won’t move for drouin. But the whole argumenting have started because he supposedly have no value and that he is a marginal players. Both of those statement where actually not true and i have shown with stats and facts that drouin was in a special group. I won’t stand here listening to people who pretend having knowledge about hockey when they can’t even make the difference between a players who generate offense by is own and a players who benefits from other players. Comparing donskoi or burakowsky to drouin is not a proof of knowledge when they are clearly not in the same category. Drouin has a lot more upside then both of them and with is deal he have value in a trade since team don’t all have productive winger. I am a big hockey fan and i watch a tons of game each year. Junior, college, ahl even europeen game along with nhl. I have enough discernment to judge players by their ability and on what they brings to the game. Unlike some people here who are completely biased and only gave credit to their own players. Some people who would say that burakowsky was a trash can then suddenly when he is on s nee team become the next great thing. That pissed off people who really care about that beautiful game. If you cheer for your teal ok fine but if you don’t no anthing about other team and players just don’t troll other people! ( the last part wasn’t against you its just a message for the one who will recognize themselves)</div></div>

I think youre confusing the notion that "Drouin has no value to COL" (obviously this is an exaggeration) with "Drouin has no value in general" (which obviously is not true). I already said in a previous comment that Drouin has a higher ceiling than Donskoi and Burakovsky, and im not saying that Donksoi and Burakovsky are better than Drouin, just that they are satisfactory in their roles on the Avs and that there is no need to bring in Drouin. Now if you are thinking of trading Drouin to a team in need of offensive wingers then he would have lots of value to that team. Maybe you could get a high pick and a top prospect from a team in need, but that team is not Colorado.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 11 h 24
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
Seby, once you start restricting the group to younger players, the sample size shrinks dramatically. Even including 27-year-old Brett Connolly and 26-year-old Viktor Arvidsson, all I can think of are DeBrincat, the Tkachuks, Laine and Tuch, and I don't think I would trade any of them for Drouin straight up because all have at least one additional dimension that Drouin doesn't. Then there are guys like Labanc (one season with 56 points and more or less on a path for 50), Virtanen (25 points last season but projecting to 50 this year) and Kubalik (on pace for 50 in his first year), all of whom I wouldn't trade Drouin for even up. So it's hard to answer your question(s) because, as <a href="/users/coga16" target="_blank">@coga16</a> points out, there are cheaper options for second-line wingers than Drouin, including guys like Iafallo or Kase who play on worse teams' first lines but wouldn't come close to sniffing Colorado's first three.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 0 h 52
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq17</b></div><div><a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank">@OldNYIfan</a> <a href="/users/GMs" target="_blank">@GMs</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/math731" target="_blank">@math731</a> <a href="/users/MaxDomi13" target="_blank">@MaxDomi13</a>
<a href="/users/MDA_47" target="_blank">@MDA_47</a> <a href="/users/papishark" target="_blank">@papishark</a> <a href="/users/Cozens42" target="_blank">@Cozens42</a> <a href="/users/Copenhagen" target="_blank">@Copenhagen</a> <a href="/users/Hedman77" target="_blank">@Hedman77</a> <a href="/users/MadLin27" target="_blank">@MadLin27</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/ChiHawk" target="_blank">@ChiHawk</a> <a href="/users/AndrewLadd" target="_blank">@AndrewLadd</a> <a href="/users/tsyls" target="_blank">@tsyls</a> <a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a>

I would like to have your thought on that topics thank gang ?</div></div>

I don't know if I have an opinion on this, but thanks for the shout out! I feel like a capfriendly celebrity!
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 23 h 33
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 23 h 1
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>I said look at JT Miller as an example. he was traded for a 1st and a 3rd. 2nd line Winger. You can find guys that dont cost you a 1st and a top prospect, which caused him to go back on his soap box.
Even look at incomplete samples this year in Burakovsky and Donskoi, both are averaging over a 50 point pace (should be in that 45-50 point pace when the smoke clears, They didnt cost those assets to get either. 2nd line wingers options are always available. And its funny how he is framing this now. Drouin was a 50 point player not he Habs but getting 3rd in Total Ice Time and 1st in PP time. Thats not a 50 point 2nd line winger. Its just his way to try to justify his soap box stance</div></div>

I hear ya and the JT Miller comparison is a very fair one for a hypothetical Drouin trade, that's why I put at the end of my comment about what the extra(s) should be could/should be debated forever.. Lol

Maybe an in season trade compared to a summer trade like Miller's costs more but Sakic is no fool, if he trades for Drouin he wont overpay for him.

Not sure Burakovsky or Donskoi are really fair comparisons but I get your point that there's cheaper ways to fill a lineup hole. I think your Avs advantage is they get secondary scoring, pretty much everyone in their bottom 6 produces at what you'd expect players in those positions should.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 22 h 30
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
I think sometimes we're too hung up on point thresholds with some players and sometimes not hung up on it enough for other players. Like some 2nd line wingers might not break the 50 point mark in a season and I'd still say they're a 2nd line winger or at least could be if they're hitting at least the 40+ point mark, I think as long as the line they're on works and it produces roughly what's expected of an average 2nd line then so be it.

Like is Hyman a top 6 winger? Idk if he is but he produces and his line works so so be it. It seems many think Kapanen is only a 3rd line winger but he could very likely be a 2nd line winger on many teams in the league and put on a line that he works on I could see him break the 50 point mark.

As for Drouin I'd say he's worth a 1st, I mean he produces pretty much in line with his contract value (or he would if he could stay healthy) and has a good amount of term left. If a guy like Palmieri who most think is gonna take a 1st+ to get how is Drouin who has two more seasons of term left not gonna start with a 1st? As for the value of what extras it'd take who knows, the value of a 2nd round pick or an A-prospect or B-prospect could be debated forever.. Lol
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 21 h 52
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq17</b></div><div><a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank">@OldNYIfan</a> <a href="/users/GMs" target="_blank">@GMs</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/math731" target="_blank">@math731</a> <a href="/users/MaxDomi13" target="_blank">@MaxDomi13</a>
<a href="/users/MDA_47" target="_blank">@MDA_47</a> <a href="/users/papishark" target="_blank">@papishark</a> <a href="/users/Cozens42" target="_blank">@Cozens42</a> <a href="/users/Copenhagen" target="_blank">@Copenhagen</a> <a href="/users/Hedman77" target="_blank">@Hedman77</a> <a href="/users/MadLin27" target="_blank">@MadLin27</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/ChiHawk" target="_blank">@ChiHawk</a> <a href="/users/AndrewLadd" target="_blank">@AndrewLadd</a> <a href="/users/tsyls" target="_blank">@tsyls</a> <a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a>

I would like to have your thought on that topics thank gang ?</div></div>

Well 50 point players are somewhat rare, and I would say any good team will have a full line of them. Usually the min for a player who can score that much is a first. The sharks have Kevin Labanc who was a 50 point player last year(although maybe inflated by playing with Thornton) and is very young and cheap, and my asking price for him is a first.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 21 h 46
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq17</b></div><div><a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank">@OldNYIfan</a> <a href="/users/GMs" target="_blank">@GMs</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/math731" target="_blank">@math731</a> <a href="/users/MaxDomi13" target="_blank">@MaxDomi13</a>
<a href="/users/MDA_47" target="_blank">@MDA_47</a> <a href="/users/papishark" target="_blank">@papishark</a> <a href="/users/Cozens42" target="_blank">@Cozens42</a> <a href="/users/Copenhagen" target="_blank">@Copenhagen</a> <a href="/users/Hedman77" target="_blank">@Hedman77</a> <a href="/users/MadLin27" target="_blank">@MadLin27</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/ChiHawk" target="_blank">@ChiHawk</a> <a href="/users/AndrewLadd" target="_blank">@AndrewLadd</a> <a href="/users/tsyls" target="_blank">@tsyls</a> <a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a>

I would like to have your thought on that topics thank gang ?</div></div>

I don’t think it’s too unrealistic to expect your second line guys to put up 50+ pts. Usually what we end up seeing is one of the 3 2nd line guys puts up like 65+ and the other 2 are in between 35-55. I do agree that it’s not super easy to find a 2nd liner that can consistently put up 50-60+ pts.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 22 h 1
Sujet: How many 50 point winger Colorado had since 2013-14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq17</b></div><div><a href="/users/OldNYIfan" target="_blank">@OldNYIfan</a> <a href="/users/GMs" target="_blank">@GMs</a> <a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> <a href="/users/math731" target="_blank">@math731</a> <a href="/users/MaxDomi13" target="_blank">@MaxDomi13</a>
<a href="/users/MDA_47" target="_blank">@MDA_47</a> <a href="/users/papishark" target="_blank">@papishark</a> <a href="/users/Cozens42" target="_blank">@Cozens42</a> <a href="/users/Copenhagen" target="_blank">@Copenhagen</a> <a href="/users/Hedman77" target="_blank">@Hedman77</a> <a href="/users/MadLin27" target="_blank">@MadLin27</a> <a href="/users/PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood" target="_blank">@PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</a> <a href="/users/ChiHawk" target="_blank">@ChiHawk</a> <a href="/users/AndrewLadd" target="_blank">@AndrewLadd</a> <a href="/users/tsyls" target="_blank">@tsyls</a> <a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a>

I would like to have your thought on that topics thank gang ?</div></div>

I was surprised there are so few 50 point wingers. Not just looking at points, it's value to the team.
If there are 31 first line wingers, the average second liner winger should get the 46th highest salary. The NHL stats should the 46th paid RW gets 4.6m and the 46 paid LW 3.5m.....So I guess that's the market about 4m for a second line winger. The 46th paid centre 5.5m

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