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Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2023 à 13 h 42
Sujet: Big D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>You can ask for a prospect, but they won't be named Bourque, Stankoven or Harley. (Stars fans feel free to add to that list).</div></div>

Bichsel, Grushnikov, most of the defense prospects(could maybe trade Kyrou as he’s more of just a pure offensive guy and not really needed if the power play 2 is run by Harley or Nils already). Really if we want a solid 1-6 on defense in the future and want to avoid trying to bargain bin shop for washed veterans then we need guys that can skate well, pass and play well defensively too, in order to do that they need a large pool to draw from (unfortunately once the guys that don’t make it by a certain age have gotten to that point they have no trade value but it’s better than losing the opportunity to build a top to bottom solid defense corps).
Forum: Armchair-GM21 sept. 2022 à 17 h 57
Sujet: Robertson trade Even though the Stars would be dumb to do any trade for him
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffGorton</b></div><div>Oh like Debrincat

Robertson would be asking for a trade since he isnt signed, that lowers his value.

And Guhles ceiling top 2 d man, prospects arent judged on where they most likely will be but on how good can they possibly be. Thats called potential and he would be the 2nd best potential d man on the Stars after Heiskenan.

They also get 2 unprotected 2 first round picks, and a player who himself is worth another late 1st rounder (basing this on the Sens nearly sending 7th overall for Anderson and 26th)

Now leys compare to another trade, the Debrincat trade

Debrincat is better than Robertson in every way

His return was a 7th overall, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. The trade i put forth is higher value than what the Sens sent for Debrincat</div></div>

I knew you were going to bring up Debrincat - he has 1 year remaining at 6.4 mill and can take a 9 mill QO to UFA next offseason. I

Robertson has 4 RFA years left , plus he’s better than Debrincat. Robertson Is arguably the best left wing in the NHL.

Asking for a trade doesn’t lower value - Nils Lundkvist just requested a trade. Matthew Tkachuk essentially requested a trade. Both went for great returns.


I’ve read all the prospect reports on Guhle, at best he’s a #2 D, but his most likely scenario is a #3 D. Not enough offense to his game to drive a 1st pairing. Also have you considered Dallas needs in this trade? Obviously not. Their plan is to keep Heiskanen at LD, they also have Harley right behind him. Plus they just drafted Bischel. They have no need for Guhle. Slaf/Caufield or bust. Almost any team would give up their A caliber young wingers for Robertson.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG4 sept. 2022 à 6 h 18
Sujet: Jason Robertson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SaucePass</b></div><div>Robertson is what you hope Slafkovsky becomes. I’d hate to get rid of Robertson. Throwing in the 23 1st though makes me accept.


I believe I just don’t see Us as a real contender. Build from the back to the front. Let Otter and Heiskanen mature another year. Build around Johnston, Stankhoven and Borque. Add in Slafkovsky and 23 1st and the offense could be absolutely lethal in 2-4 years.</div></div>

That is were I’m at as well. With the Benn and Seguin contracts, I think that locking up the future is just as important as watching the cap. It might be hard to sell the idea to the owner.

When you think about a top 5 ranked pick like Slafkovsky, you’d expect him to be a NHL player this year. Robertson cap hit could involve trades that would cost picks. The team possibly wouldn’t be as good this year coming year, but in a couple years, the team could be blazing.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 sept. 2022 à 22 h 14
Sujet: Robertson trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffGorton</b></div><div>Suzuki isnt holding out on a contract. Suzuki is a future captain. Center is a higher value position than a winger.

Harley is nowhere near the same as Guhle. Harley has the same floor but way lower ceiling than Guhle. Anderson is better than Gurianov. And for the 1st, most likely a 6-10 pick in 2024. A stronger draft than 2022.

You also forgot about the Khudobin cap eating which easily costs a team a 2nd rounder at the very least</div></div>

You can tweak it the way you want, there is like 10 person on your post telling you you're way off, some not even Dallas fans.

Yes suzuki is under contract and play center but no matter how much dollars he sign for Robertson is worth it and as a much higher production rythm.

Maybe anderson is better than Gurianov but also older and more expensive for a longer period of time.

Yes Guhle should be better than Harley but both still has everything to prove in the NHL.

The pick cant be top 10 in 2023, top 5 in 2024 after your conditions, with that roster anyway its probably not even possible.

You are just wrong my friend its okay
Forum: Armchair-GM6 août 2022 à 22 h 13
Sujet: If Auston Wont Resign This Is The Best Trade For Both Teams
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>And Matthews is literally the reigning mvp, after being, the rubber up to mvp. Who has more value besides McDavid himself?</div></div>

Cale makar, Adam fox, jack hughes, kirill kaprizov, miro heiskanen, and Nikita kucherov. You are failing to recognize the value of term and cap hit. Sure they may not be Matthew’s but on the trade market they’re more valuable. Let’s put it this way, would you rather have 2 years of Matthew’s or 7+ years of any of these guys. Matthew’s is the third best player in the world and holds a ton of value as a player, but in the salary cap era, cap hit and term is also a big factor in a players value. There are strong arguments for so many U25 players with 6+ years of term to be more valuable than matthews. If Matthews is extended, he is only less valuable than mcdavid and makar.